Has anyone tried this oil yet? Looking at the Dyson Analysis site, Terry seems to feel that RLI products provide good UOA's. I wonder if there are any warranty implications with using RLI products?
RLI Bio-Synthetc 0W-20
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I think several here are running the 5W-40. Dunno on the 0W-20.
I will keep my big mouth shut about Terry supposedly not pushing one brand of oil or not........
Haven't seen any real life use of the $11.21/qt 0W-20. If you really need API SM, then they aren't certified as they state but I doubt that won't be a problem......unless....well...I better not say anything.
Oh that's why I thought he was associated with RLI!
I will keep my big mouth shut about Terry supposedly not pushing one brand of oil or not........
Haven't seen any real life use of the $11.21/qt 0W-20. If you really need API SM, then they aren't certified as they state but I doubt that won't be a problem......unless....well...I better not say anything.
Oh that's why I thought he was associated with RLI!
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Yikes.... I can get 300+K & still running fine without any smoke - for half that price.
Yeah, they are pricey by the quart, that's why it is better in bulk (meaning gallon sizes). Not that that is cheap by any means, just evens it out per quart a little more. But shipping can be a bummer...
I am unsure what the innuendo in this message means? What is wrong with recommending one oil over another, isn't that why we are here?
I'm about 1k miles into my first 5k OCI with RLI 0w20 (previously used Havoline 5w20 in my 2005 Civic).
FWIW, I paid $12.38 s/h for the gallon I ordered shipped to VA...
I actually have no problem with Terry recommending one oil. Just come clean with it, if Terry is paid a fee for any service by RLI, that needs some level of disclosure.
Well Pablo. I agree with what you are saying. I think that Terry is a very very respectable individual, and his services are worth much more than what they cost.
That being said, just to back up your point. Terry appears to be recommending RLI over all other oils. On his website here, it is clearly stated.....
"A GOOD IDEA FOR LOWER ENGINE WEAR
DysonAnalysis would like to share a product with those looking for superior performance and protection in motor oil. He recommends fluid from Renewable Lubricants, Incorporated. While DysonAnalysis sells only oil analysis reports and remains independent, recent test results have produced wonderful results in engines using their cutting-edge biobased lubricants."
I think that he has seen data showing that it has significantly lower wear numbers in an Audi R4 that had different UOA's with much higher wear numbers.
I don't really have an opinion one way or another, just stating what I have observed.
That being said, just to back up your point. Terry appears to be recommending RLI over all other oils. On his website here, it is clearly stated.....
"A GOOD IDEA FOR LOWER ENGINE WEAR
DysonAnalysis would like to share a product with those looking for superior performance and protection in motor oil. He recommends fluid from Renewable Lubricants, Incorporated. While DysonAnalysis sells only oil analysis reports and remains independent, recent test results have produced wonderful results in engines using their cutting-edge biobased lubricants."
I think that he has seen data showing that it has significantly lower wear numbers in an Audi R4 that had different UOA's with much higher wear numbers.
I don't really have an opinion one way or another, just stating what I have observed.
There is an extensive thread about the 5w40 if you search it, it has a lot of good info in it.
I know that the RLI oil Terry is using in his own vehicle was paid for, not a gift or trade for services rendered or promise to perform. I'm using their oil and I'm a nice guy but they still charged me, too. RI_RS4 paid for all his oil, too. This oil is the first really new engine oil on the market in quite a while, and yes it does cost more and yes I think it's worth it. I hope they read this plug and send me my free oil (lol). And I hope they did not get their tail feathers blown off during the last storm.
It goes without saying that Terry's recommendations on BITOG carry a lot of weight. With that being said, he is not forcing anyone to buy the products he mentions. Pennzoil Platinum is a good example of this. He mentioned that this oil was practically being given away and that it has a "near perfect additive package". Truth be told, the UOA's seem to agree with what he has said. I personally use Amsoil, but enjoy reading Terry's take on various products. RLI Bio-Synthetic 0W-20 is a product that intrigues me. I may want to try it in my wife's 2006 Pilot. His comments on RLI products seem to be very positive and I doubt that he would recommend anything here on BITOG that was not up to snuff. His livelihood depends on the real-world results of the products he suggests. As long as the UOA's look good I could care less whether he is being paid to "endorse" a product. Though I have not used his services, it seems to me that he is charging a very reasonable fee for them. As long as he recommends top notch products I am fine with it.
Pablo, back off. Your implications are out of line. I have previously stated that I have no interest in RLI, financial or otherwise.
Would you like me to tell the forum specifically how your non-approved by any standards organization 5W-40 Euro formulation Oil fared in our RS4 direct injection engines? If you think that your oil worked better, or was a better value for the money, then you might want to ask me.
I'm not allowed to speak my mind? Why is that?
I never accused you of anything. When I thought you were associated with RLI, and was wrong. I apologized. But I see your name on their web site - fine. I have no idea you pay for or get oil free from RLI.
I have no idea how Amsoil 5W-40 fared in your tests. I think using a light vis, low SAPS oil vs. the heavily additized, high viscosity (SAE 50) RLI 5W-40 might not be a fair test. I take that back - one person said Amsoil did OK. It doesn't look OK in your published stuff, but the one thread is so long, I'll need to re-read it.
As for Terry - he is free to recommend what he wants. But his "non-partisan" statements don't always wash with everyone. Most all those people are afraid to speak up! Terry is a G0D (not THE G0D) and believe me - I like the guy. I send people to him on and off line ALL the time! But I can question his neutrality publicly!! What about his previous love for Redline, or LC? Two products that haven't exactly panned out in UOA's A couple years ago if someone said something bad about them - ohmygawd - you would think they did 10 sins all in one.
So "back off"? - I will when I'm wrong. I am sorry if I offend anyone. Most times when I do I get Amsoil thrown in my face, so that doesn't rattle me. I personally think there are some flaws in RLI - but we probably shouldn't talk about those.
Also – are you threatening me with releasing test data? Am I not reading that right?
Why are you so defensive? I’m not bashing the product!!!!
Back on Topic – I am not saying RLI is a bad oil! But we need to beware of, think and talk about the possible weaknesses:
1) It is not API listed. Obviously this one is not a huge hang up for me. I do not know if the 0W-20 is a “kitchen sink” oil or not, I have no idea if they are going for under 1000 ppm P or 2) The RLI 5W-40 appears to work well as a (mostly?) PAO and HOBS blend with tons of additives and thick starting viscosity. Now how does a low additized 0W-20 work out in extended drains? I’m sure RLI did some fine testing, and some real life testing. Is there data?
3) The oil IS expensive. So what in a 0W-20 am I getting for $11/qt oil. How does it do at 12K miles -15K miles? I’m sorry - this is an unknown.
4) The whole “bio” thing IS a great goal, but how much PAO is used? Additive carrier? As stated, used motor oil is a tad hazardous. And to state things like biodegradability and 100% USA sourced ingredients, etc, needs back-up data. Do their PAO’s come from Exxon-Mobil?
Again – I don’t want a war of words – I want fair play. Terry is gushing openly about this oil brand. Check your own threads. Is that a problem? OF COURSE IT ISN’T!!! But who pays Terry? Has he been paid by RLI for testing? Is he disclosing everything? So how many emails ( a few PM’s) have I received thanking me for saying this? Quite a few.
Free speech must be upheld. If something is said that needs correction, then free speech will in turn allow the correction to be voiced. Lynch mobs must not be tolerated. How's that for a Thomas Jefferson type speech?
I actually agree with Pablo here. He touched on points I have been thinking of.
So true.
No brand should ever be given a free ride on here.
There are questions that remain to be answered and in time with more data, they will be answered. I like the company and hope they do very well. I think they are a forward thinking company. However, it's going to be tough to really break into this market with those types of prices.
It might end up a being a case where they are just a very high end specialty brand that caters to those that demand an oil for a very specific application.
I was told to only run OEM drain intervals with these oils and/or get a read from Terry.
Think of it this way: Any SM oil good for 5-6k miles. ($.99-$3.00qt) Amsoil/M1 - 12-15k ($6+qt)
RLI 0w-20 - $11.33qt ????
So true.
There are questions that remain to be answered and in time with more data, they will be answered. I like the company and hope they do very well. I think they are a forward thinking company. However, it's going to be tough to really break into this market with those types of prices.
I was told to only run OEM drain intervals with these oils and/or get a read from Terry.Think of it this way: Any SM oil good for 5-6k miles. ($.99-$3.00qt) Amsoil/M1 - 12-15k ($6+qt)
RLI 0w-20 - $11.33qt ????
its actually too bad to see this kind of attitude, but unfortunately this is a capitalist society and the dollar always comes before everything else. and i often agree with that philosophy... EXCEPT when it comes to the environment. and it sucks to know that big companies will NEVER put the environment before the dollar. i'm glad to see a company like RLI taking initiative and focusing on renewable sources for lubrication. i wish the big companies would do the same. but that will never happen.
oh, and about the RI_RS4 vs Pablo thing... i think it is clear that you are making insinuations, Pablo. so don't pretend that your not. but you do indeed raise some interesting points. i find it offensive that you would accuse Terry of hailing this oil so much because he is somehow being paid to do so. but your other questions are great... where's the test data on the 0W-20? where's the proof that it is 100% US sourced materials? etc.
and 1 more quick question. off topic.
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