RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman, age 46

[SatinSilver]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
For the rest of us - its kinda hard to judge when its not you and not your life. Schtuff happens. When it happens to people we know personally or 'famous' people, we like to talk about it like we have authority to do so. Its a bummer for his family, just like it would be if he was a no-name guy at the office/factory/etc.


Seems as though you're making excuses for him and minimizing what he did. Look how well that turned out. I try not to judge anyone. But don't want to be around anyone that sticks themselves with needles containing illegal substances. Who knows what they will do to get that next high. Carjack, stab and rob etc...No thanks.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
We do have the right to judge the actions of others, especially when their utter lack of self discipline and personal responsibility impact others.


You have the right to do anything you want if you are willing to accept the consequences. Judging others does not impact the lives of those you judge in any way; however the arrogance and contempt does do some real and lasting damage to your own soul and makes you look foolish and petty in the eyes of others who are witnessing this unhealthy and destructive behaviour. Perhaps using better judgment and exercising better self-discipline is not just for the junkies.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
He never looked like a healthy person in interviews I'd seen. Whatever happened to the simple days when actors/actresses died of "ordinary" things like alcoholism?


Like Judy Garland or Billie Holiday....?

A lot of suicides too.

Hollywood has always been a fragile lot. Many of them have "problems" that the rest of us just call life.

Agreed....but the rate of disposing of ones life today has surely increased. It's almost celebrated to be in rehab or have some addiction. Self destructive behavior is worn like a badge of honor these days. Too darn much negativity these days. So many more films and other forms of entertainment are filled with depression, negativity, and gloom.
Just my opinion.


Lupe Velez 1908-1944. "The Mexican Spitfire". Once married to Johnny Weissmuller. Swallowed an obscene amount of Seconal with the intent of being found dead on her bed surrounded by flowers. Actually found dead face down in the toilet.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Who?

Same here; I have no idea who this person was.

HOWEVER, I am shocked to hear that this person was only 46. I have seen 76 year old men who looked better than this person. Does drugs did that to him?


Ever see the movie Twister? He was the one that drove the mini bus. That's all I've really seen him in.

 

[CharBaby]

Indeed, very sad! He is from my hometown area though, I've never had the pleasure of meeting him. I have had the pleasure of meeting many local stars from my home town.

Our prayers go out to Philip's family & friends!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000450/

 

[02SE]

It's tragic that shooting up was more important than his partner and kids well being. My condolences to them.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Everyone who's never had a drag off a cig or taken a sip of alcohol, raise their hand?

[I'm imagining maybe a couple people only - Pop Rivet?]


For the rest of us - its kinda hard to judge when its not you and not your life. Schtuff happens. When it happens to people we know personally or 'famous' people, we like to talk about it like we have authority to do so. Its a bummer for his family, just like it would be if he was a no-name guy at the office/factory/etc.


Let's see how many things you got wrong in your statement.

Comparing a "drag" off of a cigarette or a sip of alcohol to being an irresponsible, drugged out addict is a logical fallacy. No one with a modicum of intelligence would ever try to make that comparison.

"Schtuff" doesn't just happen. People cause things to happen through their lack of responsibility and self discipline; in this case not only did this guy end his own life, but he took himself out of his children's lives and left them without a father (not that he was much of a father to begin with). Implying that "stuff happens", especially in the case of a guy like this one, cheapens the self discipline that millions of other people who chose not to be addicts have shown.

We do have the right to judge the actions of others, especially when their utter lack of self discipline and personal responsibility impact others. And I'll go one further-we have the obligation to point out to kids and young people that what this guy brought on himself was his own fault. It's not society, it's not pressure, it's a lack of character and personal responsibility. People like this are a drag on society, and do nothing more than damage the lives of those around them.

Maybe his kids will understand how self destructive that behavior is, and chose a better path for themselves because of it.


Excellent post. Concise, and void of emotional drivel. If those in entertainment would get a better grasp on reality and others would stop enabling them in one way or another...maybe this sort of destructive behavior would ease a bit.
He was a great actor....with a great many faults.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Everyone who's never had a drag off a cig or taken a sip of alcohol, raise their hand?

[I'm imagining maybe a couple people only - Pop Rivet?]


For the rest of us - its kinda hard to judge when its not you and not your life. Schtuff happens. When it happens to people we know personally or 'famous' people, we like to talk about it like we have authority to do so. Its a bummer for his family, just like it would be if he was a no-name guy at the office/factory/etc.


Let's see how many things you got wrong in your statement.

Comparing a "drag" off of a cigarette or a sip of alcohol to being an irresponsible, drugged out addict is a logical fallacy. No one with a modicum of intelligence would ever try to make that comparison.

"Schtuff" doesn't just happen. People cause things to happen through their lack of responsibility and self discipline; in this case not only did this guy end his own life, but he took himself out of his children's lives and left them without a father (not that he was much of a father to begin with). Implying that "stuff happens", especially in the case of a guy like this one, cheapens the self discipline that millions of other people who chose not to be addicts have shown.

We do have the right to judge the actions of others, especially when their utter lack of self discipline and personal responsibility impact others. And I'll go one further-we have the obligation to point out to kids and young people that what this guy brought on himself was his own fault. It's not society, it's not pressure, it's a lack of character and personal responsibility. People like this are a drag on society, and do nothing more than damage the lives of those around them.

Maybe his kids will understand how self destructive that behavior is, and chose a better path for themselves because of it.


Excellent post. Expressed well and void of emotional drivel. Great points...based on reality.

 

[SatinSilver]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Excellent post. Expressed well and void of emotional drivel. Great points...based on reality.


Which post? You quoted two of them and posted twice.

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
If those in entertainment would get a better grasp on reality and others would stop enabling them in one way or another...maybe this sort of destructive behavior would ease a bit.


My point was that being an actor/musician/etc has nothing to do with this. Lots of addicts in everyday life also, they're just not famous enough to make the headlines when they die.

Addiction can run in your genes and impact some people way more than others. Yes, a sip of alcohol can trigger very different reactions in different people. You can't just turn it off [as Pop R would assume]. He tried. He lost. We proselytize about it afterwards because he was 'famous'.

It will happen again. Paul Walker?

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: andrewg
If those in entertainment would get a better grasp on reality and others would stop enabling them in one way or another...maybe this sort of destructive behavior would ease a bit.


My point was that being an actor/musician/etc has nothing to do with this. Lots of addicts in everyday life also, they're just not famous enough to make the headlines when they die.

Addiction can run in your genes and impact some people way more than others. Yes, a sip of alcohol can trigger very different reactions in different people. You can't just turn it off [as Pop R would assume]. He tried. He lost. We proselytize about it afterwards because he was 'famous'.

It will happen again. Paul Walker?

It happened to my brother....he wasn't famous...and he's dead because of his poor choices. Addictions don't become addictions until we choose to partake. Contrary to what you are saying, being an alcoholic or a drug addict IS the responsibility of the abuser. No excuse in the world is enough. If we aren't responsible for our choices, please tell me who is? Our we just so much unintelligible beings that we magically end up where we end up? No.
Alas....this is my opinion and don't expect you or anybody else to agree.

 

[javacontour]

The arguments suggesting there are addictive personalities are simply fortification of the position to never take the first hit. IF you are an addictive personality, then it's almost certain self-destruction.

Seems the risk vs reward of this is not a good bet.

Yet folks make the choice to take that first hit. Some walk away, some are hooked for life.

Why take that chance in the first place?

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
It happened to my brother....he wasn't famous...and he's dead because of his poor choices. Addictions don't become addictions until we choose to partake. Contrary to what you are saying, being an alcoholic or a drug addict IS the responsibility of the abuser. No excuse in the world is enough. If we aren't responsible for our choices, please tell me who is? Our we just so much unintelligible beings that we magically end up where we end up? No.
Alas....this is my opinion and don't expect you or anybody else to agree.


Personal responsibility is rapidly being killed by the constant media onslaught in this country. Who can we blame?

We have had rampant issues in my own family with addiction. It can go a variety of ways, but ultimately no one can help these poor troubled souls. They must help themselves...

 

[SatinSilver]

My only addiction is Bitog.

 

[Propflux01]

Originally Posted By: satinsilver
My only addiction is Bitog.

We'll find you slumped over the keyboard!

 

[GaleHawkins]

When one looks at Elvis, Michael Jackson, etc no question show business is a tough business to do and stay clean.

 

[javacontour]

Isn't it funny how many of the same who say "don't judge" are the first to say you are selfish (or insert any other judgment leveled) if you don't agree with them?

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: satinsilver
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Excellent post. Expressed well and void of emotional drivel. Great points...based on reality.


Which post? You quoted two of them and posted twice.

Ha ha ha....sorry! Messed up posting. had some sort of hang-up and posted twice...with a revision. My mistake.
I meant poprivets post.

 

[Nickdfresh]

It's pretty [censored] awful actually. He was a great talent and one of the finest working actors and was by all accounts a decent human being and and a regular guy that was about as close to anything of a Hollywood celebrity that one would want to have a beer with. Unfortunately, his drug of choice was smack and a reminder of why being a junkie sucks and why heroin sucks. But he was a creative talent that was productive and stuffed more in his life and the world lost an interesting guy that was almost universally liked by those who knew him. Meanwhile, [censored] like Justin Beiber still steal oxygen and charge young girls $600 for him to treat them like pieces of gullible [censored] backstage at his concerts...

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: 02SE
It's tragic that shooting up was more important than his partner and kids well being. My condolences to them.


I'm sure his partner and kids will be fine with the fortune that he amassed, even while addled on drugs. And not only while being a junkie, at only talking roles that he found worthwhile and intriguing. By all accounts he never whored himself out for the money and still made a great living...