RIP Philip Seymour Hoffman, age 46

[andrewg]

I really don't see the same "exact" thing as you do when it comes to comparing hard-core drug use (heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.) to heavy smoking or maybe even drinking. One persons "heavy" is another persons norm. With general correlations such as the one you are suggesting (illegal drug use to smoking, etc.) where would you draw the line when it comes to unhealthy habits? Would those eating diets high in saturated fat be exactly like a drug user with suicidal habits? My parents smoked....but I certainly would not place them in the same category as an illegal drug abuser. But at the same time....if somebody complains that they got lung cancer and are dying from years of smoking, it's tough for me to be overly sensitive about a choice like that. I think that different habits and levels of mild addictions should be in a different sphere of understanding than other far more harmful and dangerous ones.

 

[javacontour]

But most aren't judging on facts. Questioning if someone is too judgmental, or too strict, or too uncaring, or whatever the subjecting judgment they are making is not on facts, but on personal preference.

Such judgments are self-contradictory. Suggesting someone shouldn't judge is making a judgment.

That's my point. Not that it's good or bad to judge. My point is that those who suggest/command or whatever that one shouldn't judge has in fact made a judgment.

Originally Posted By: threeputtpar
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Repeating what I said before....

Originally Posted By: javacontour
Isn't it funny how many of the same who say "don't judge" are the first to say you are selfish (or insert any other judgment leveled) if you don't agree with them?


Judging people on the facts set forth are what every human does naturally, it's a survival instinct. This has nothing to do with agreement.

And for the record, I don't see his death as an overdose. He committed suicide, because he knew that what he was doing would absolutely lead to his death. Whether or not anyone wants to classify it as an addiction is irrelevant. It's no different than stringing up a rope and jumping off of the kitchen table, it just took longer.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
I really don't see the same "exact" thing as you do when it comes to comparing hard-core drug use (heroin, meth, cocaine, etc.) to heavy smoking or maybe even drinking. One persons "heavy" is another persons norm. With general correlations such as the one you are suggesting (illegal drug use to smoking, etc.) where would you draw the line when it comes to unhealthy habits? Would those eating diets high in saturated fat be exactly like a drug user with suicidal habits? My parents smoked....but I certainly would not place them in the same category as an illegal drug abuser. But at the same time....if somebody complains that they got lung cancer and are dying from years of smoking, it's tough for me to be overly sensitive about a choice like that. I think that different habits and levels of mild addictions should be in a different sphere of understanding than other far more harmful and dangerous ones.


My point being that those so-called "mild' addictions WILL kill one just as dead as the "hard" and socially unacceptable ones will, just that they will take longer It is more of an overall health issue to me than a moral, 'principled', or judgmental issue (and YES, morbid, or even less than morbid obesity, caused by over, or very unhealthy eating, ARE in the same category in my eyes).