Its best they go out of business due to their poor quality.
First off, have you personally seen or experienced any of this, "poor quality"? And please explain how,
"It's best if they go out of business"? So far this has turned into nothing but another Remington bashing thread.
With not a single example or link put forward to back up anything. Just a bunch of hearsay. Yes, I've read all of the regurgitated Internet blather circulating around various gun forums on how horrible everything they make is. And this appears to be nothing but yet another extension of still more of that blather.
I've seen several Remington rifles and shotguns made in the last several years. And none of them experienced problems, or poor accuracy or workmanship. In that same time I've seen countless Ruger and Mossberg bolt rifles that didn't feed properly, and produced groups at 100 yards that looked more like buckshot patterns. And that had gaps in their wood to metal fit that looks like an 8 year old inletted the stock, 20 minutes after receiving a shot of Demerol. Yes, after the takeover some of the first Remington and Marlin products off the new assembly lines experienced some quality issues. Most all of them have been resolved long ago. But the unsubstantiated B.S. lives on.
Everyone gripes about the Cerberus Capitol Management takeover. The fact is without it, along with the financial capitol it provided, Remington, and quite possibly Marlin would have gone out of business long ago. And anytime an American firearms corporation goes bankrupt,
it is never a good thing. Especially when they've been around for well over a century. That's nothing to salivate or celebrate over. And it's certainly not, "what's best".
Remington and Marlin became victims of too high of production costs. (The East Coast, and in particular the New England area has some of the highest labor costs and taxes in the nation). Along with 100+ year old plants that are falling apart, and machinery that required modernization decades ago. They needed this equipment and working capitol back in the 70's when DuPont owned them. Where were they? And yet I don't hear anyone badmouthing them. Now Cerberus, (who has managed to keep them out of bankruptcy court), is all of a sudden the greedy financial villain. Then came the whole Walker and X-Mark Pro trigger fiasco. That wound up costing them what could possibly be hundreds of millions before it's all over. No company wants to be victimized in this manner. But sadly today with the liberal, anti gun legal system that exists in this country, companies like Remington are ripe for the picking. And very financially vulnerable because of it.
I don't know if they'll survive this or not. I sure hope they do. I recently examined a new Remington Model 700 BDL in .300 Win. Mag. It was every bit as beautiful, and the action and trigger every bit as slick and smooth as my 1972 Model 700 BDL in the same caliber. And the only thing that was molded on the entire gun was the recoil pad. Just last month there were 2 members at my local gun club with new 700's. Both were very happy with the results and groups they were getting. Both guns showed beautiful workmanship.
So you'll have to forgive me if I don't jump on this whole anti Remington bandwagon. Because I have personally yet to see or witness anything that supports it. And I am retired, and spend a lot of time at gun shops and shooting ranges every week. And no, I don't think it would be, "best if they went out of business". I think it would be a very sad day indeed, to have to be forced to say good bye to the oldest American firearms manufacturer in this country. That's certainly nothing to cheer about. Everything else is nothing but a bunch of Internet slop.
in the last few years. The trigger lawsuit, product recalls, etc. I read a news article yesterday that their sales are way off and bankruptcy might be looming. I was just at Cabela's today and was perusing their used gun rack. It seems as if the prices on thier used Remingtons are WAY less than comparable brands. Used 742 30-06 for $369. Nice older BDL 7MM for $500. A couple of years ago, both would have been close to double that.
Any one have any thoughts?
