Redline 0w40, 5w40 and 10w40: What is the difference?

Well, if high performance oils mostly come in 0W-40 grade and not 10W-40. That means something, right? It's not only the base oils.
In stock cars like Corvette, Porsches other German cars one of the most recommended oil (from the manufacturer) is 0W-40 oil, not 10W-40. Why is that?

Why the Porsche C40 GT cup oil is 0W-40 and not 10W-40?
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-c40-gt-0w-40
Again because they "recommend" (marketing agreement) Mobil, where they will use cheaper base stocks with 10W-xx oils.

Please ensure you have a thorough understanding of these things before making recommendations to others. The rule of using 0W-xx oils for better base stocks applies to OTS oils.

I would think you would know this from how much you posted in all of Hohn's threads about his experiments with HPL... This is precisely the reason he is running 15W-40 and SAE 40 with HPL...
 
"High performance" is a generic marketing term that is sorta meaningless IMO.

Most 0W-anything oils are aimed at fuel economy, not performance, longevity, or power production. (Excluding drag-race specific, ultra low viscosity oils that are meant to survive a single quarter-mile.)

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Right, tell that to people who use 0W-40 oil in their track or rally cars. People who know oils know the difference between generic terms and real high performance oils.

I have a friend running that oil in a turbo Subaru WRX at American Rally Association.

Also, I don't think high performance is a generic term. However, advanced full synthetic is definitely a generic term.
 
The rule of using 0W-xx oils for better base stocks applies to OTS oils.
Who says that?

Can you tell me why Amsoil Signature Series features only 0W-40 grade, but not 5W-40 and 10W-40?

Why HPL don't have 0W-40 under PCEM, but have it in all other premium and supercar oil categories?
Also, why no 10W-40 oil in those same HPL premium and supercar oil categories?
 
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Who says that?
Everyone who knows facts?

Look at the Noack of those oils and see how it decrease with increasing winter grade... I'm sure you can find it.

Can you tell me why Amsoil Signature Series features only 0W-40 grade, but not 5W-40 and 10W-40?

Why HPL don't have 0W-40 under PCEM, but have it in all other premium and supercar oil categories?
Also, why no 10W-40 oil in those same HPL premium and supercar oil categories?
You'd have to ask them. I think the main reason is that with such a high amount of PAO and ester, it will automatically qualify for a low winter grade. Their PCEO line has group III oils and will have more VIIs.

I can tell you really did not absorb anything from all of Hohn's discussions about his experiments with 15W-40 and SAE 40. I'd re-read those threads.
 
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I can tell you really did not absorb anything from all of Hohn's discussions about his experiments with 15W-40 and SAE 40. I'd re-read those threads.
I don't have an idea what are you talking about. He uses that same Mobil 1 Euro 0W-40 in another car.
 
"High performance" is a generic marketing term that is sorta meaningless IMO.

Most 0W-anything oils are aimed at fuel economy, not performance, longevity, or power production. (Excluding drag-race specific, ultra low viscosity oils that are meant to survive a single quarter-mile.)

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0w-40 Mobil 1 begs to differ…
 
"High performance" is a generic marketing term that is sorta meaningless IMO.

Most 0W-anything oils are aimed at fuel economy, not performance, longevity, or power production. (Excluding drag-race specific, ultra low viscosity oils that are meant to survive a single quarter-mile.)

😶
The winter rating has little to nothing to do with fuel economy. The only time a 0W rated oil is guaranteed to be thinner is below -35 or so. Fuel economy is overwhelmingly related to the operating viscosity, not the winter rating.

I think you misunderstand what the winter rating means, what it does not mean, and when.
 
The winter rating has little to nothing to do with fuel economy. The only time a 0W rated oil is guaranteed to be thinner is below -35 or so. Fuel economy is overwhelmingly related to the operating viscosity, not the winter rating.

I think you misunderstand what the winter rating means, what it does not mean, and when.
That is accurate in theory, wrong in reality.

Often winter rating is a proxy for viscosity for a given summer grade. That is certainly the case for Redline but works in reverse.
 
That is accurate in theory, wrong in reality.

Often winter rating is a proxy for viscosity for a given summer grade. That is certainly the case for Redline. So yes, one should expect 0w40 to be more fuel efficient than 10w40 with Redline HP
I don't understand that. Redline is not using inferior VII.
 
Okay so then they are all 40-grade oils at operating temperature, and not below grade because the VII are incapable of performing properly.
Comparing the viscosity delta between two oils, grade information is not all that relevant for someone sophisticated enough to be BITOG member. Grades are a window, not a set visosity figure. Two oil in the same grade can have a wider viscosity difference than 2 oils of different grades. I am surprised you missed that
 
Comparing the viscosity delta between two oils, grade information is not all that relevant for someone sophisticated enough to be BITOG member. Grades are a window, not a set visosity figure. Two oil in the same grade can have a wider viscosity difference than 2 oils of different grades. I am surprised you missed that
Yes true, at least to the precision that a PDS of typical values might indicate. However, if you really think those minor differences can be subsequently observed in some operational context, then I would suggest that is a fool's errand. Speaking of fuel economy, within a laboratory with controlled variables there is about a 1% difference between grades. Fine-tuning within a grade is even less relevant.

One of the reasons it is a grade is to allow for the inevitable variances in blending.
 
Yes true, at least to the precision that a PDS of typical values might indicate. However, if you really think those minor differences can be subsequently observed in some operational context, then I would suggest that is a fool's errand. Speaking of fuel economy, within a laboratory with controlled variables there is about a 1% difference between grades. Fine-tuning within a grade is even less relevant.

One of the reasons it is a grade is to allow for the inevitable variances in blending.
Is not that a common knowledge by now that those "controlled tests" severely under report the fuel savings? Personally I am even surprised 1% difference is possible on a steady state 2k RPM engine. I believe that comes from the Chevron study and unfortunately spread like a virus online by people repeating eachother rather than reading the source.

For the record, just selection of VII can have almost 2% change in fuel economy, for the same grade. So unfortunately that 1% is an online myth at this point.

The following is a good source, if one wants to learn:
Blanco-Rodríguez, Javier, et al. “Modelling the Impact of Reducing Lubricant Viscosity on a Conventional Passenger Car Fuel Economy and Wear Protection.” Results in Engineering, vol. 24, 2024, article 103159.
 
Is not that a common knowledge by now that those "controlled tests" severely under report the fuel savings? Personally I am even surprised 1% difference is possible on a steady state 2k RPM engine. I believe that comes from the Chevron study and unfortunately spread like a virus online by people repeating eachother rather than reading the source.

For the record, just selection of VII can have almost 2% change in fuel economy, for the same grade. So unfortunately that 1% is an online myth at this point.

The following is a good source, if one wants to learn:
Blanco-Rodríguez, Javier, et al. “Modelling the Impact of Reducing Lubricant Viscosity on a Conventional Passenger Car Fuel Economy and Wear Protection.” Results in Engineering, vol. 24, 2024, article 103159.
? I've read that paper, there is nothing in there that would invalidate anything I've said, much less validate your assertion that this fine-tuning within a grade would yield any substantive improvement whatsoever.
 
There is literally a table showing excess of 3% change in fuel economy just in a "lab" test.
? I've read that paper, there is nothing in there that would invalidate anything I've said, much less validate your assertion that this fine-tuning within a grade would yield any substantive improvement whatsoever.
 
There is literally a table showing excess of 3% change in fuel economy just in a "lab" test.
Okay fine, so it is better than 1%, at least for the oils they tested in their paper.

So what do you think you've getting within this 40-grade variation that the PDS of typical values claims?
 
Well, if high performance oils mostly come in 0W-40 grade and not 10W-40. That means something, right? It's not only the base oils.
In stock cars like Corvette, Porsches other German cars one of the most recommended oil (from the manufacturer) is 0W-40 oil, not 10W-40. Why is that?

Why the Porsche C40 GT cup oil is 0W-40 and not 10W-40?
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-c40-gt-0w-40
Because 10w-40 is not well suited to all climates.
 
Okay fine, so it is better than 1%, at least for the oils they tested in their paper.

So what do you think you've getting within this 40-grade variation that the PDS of typical values claims?
Please, just read the paper. It is very well written. Considering how often you post on this forum, that can help massively by cutting the spread of misinformation around here.
 
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