New Redline PDS - 0w20/30/40
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The high-end basestocks are clearly evident by the combinations of the HTHS viscosities, pour points, flash points, and volatilies.
Originally Posted By: buster
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API Service Class SM/SL/SG
This must be an error.
No Red Line motor oil is certified for any API Service.
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API Service Class SM/SL/SG
This must be an error.
No Red Line motor oil is certified for any API Service.
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Originally Posted By: buster
Pour point of -76F for their 0w-20.
I had a case of the 0W-20 some months ago to evaluate and have just never gotten around to it.
The specs I had were photocopies of a typewritten sheet.
I noticed the similarity of the 0W-20 to the physical properties of the Red Line D4 ATF:
http://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/6.pdf
which is given an SAE rating of 0W-20.
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Pour point of -76F for their 0w-20.
I had a case of the 0W-20 some months ago to evaluate and have just never gotten around to it.
The specs I had were photocopies of a typewritten sheet.
I noticed the similarity of the 0W-20 to the physical properties of the Red Line D4 ATF:
http://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/6.pdf
which is given an SAE rating of 0W-20.
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Yeah Red Line oils are definitely not API cert. Dave will even tell you that.
I'd like to see a comparison of the Red Line 0w20 vs Amsoil 0w20. Both have very low volatility but the pour point of the Red Line is about 11F lower. Amsoil Tbn 12.1 vs 9 for Red Line.
I'd like to see a comparison of the Red Line 0w20 vs Amsoil 0w20. Both have very low volatility but the pour point of the Red Line is about 11F lower. Amsoil Tbn 12.1 vs 9 for Red Line.
MolaKule
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This must be an error.
No Red Line motor oil is certified for any API Service.
Right. They are not saying they are Certified (Starbursted) API oils, but that they meet or "fall under" these API classifications.
This must be an error.
No Red Line motor oil is certified for any API Service.
Right. They are not saying they are Certified (Starbursted) API oils, but that they meet or "fall under" these API classifications.
Originally Posted By: AEHaas
This base ester is different than their others it seems (in these newer 0W-X formulations).
The HTHS is lower but this is not an issue with me at all.
The flow at room temperature is better now. I like this feature.
The flash point is considerably lower than all their others.
The Noack is still very favorable.
One wonders if there is a new base or just a slight reformulation. Maybe they just added some pour point depressants.
aehaas
NO PPD will not effect most esters or PAO.
This base ester is different than their others it seems (in these newer 0W-X formulations).
The HTHS is lower but this is not an issue with me at all.
The flow at room temperature is better now. I like this feature.
The flash point is considerably lower than all their others.
The Noack is still very favorable.
One wonders if there is a new base or just a slight reformulation. Maybe they just added some pour point depressants.
aehaas
NO PPD will not effect most esters or PAO.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
They are not saying they are Certified (Starbursted) API oils, but that they meet or "fall under" these API classifications.
Reading the label of a quart of 5W-20 from my work area, they write "Recommended for ....".
They certainly don't meet or comply with these API classifications. Their ZDDP levels are way beyond the current API limits. They also have not had API sequence tests conducted by a certified lab.
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They are not saying they are Certified (Starbursted) API oils, but that they meet or "fall under" these API classifications.
Reading the label of a quart of 5W-20 from my work area, they write "Recommended for ....".
They certainly don't meet or comply with these API classifications. Their ZDDP levels are way beyond the current API limits. They also have not had API sequence tests conducted by a certified lab.
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They also have not had API sequence tests conducted by a certified lab.
That is one thing I often don't like about the idea of buying from a small blender. I know many small oil makers produce great oils but w/o running them through the sequence tests you really don't know.
I think the additive suppliers do most of that already for the company and then RL would boost/add to improve the performance. From my understanding that is how it works.
They also have not had API sequence tests conducted by a certified lab.
That is one thing I often don't like about the idea of buying from a small blender. I know many small oil makers produce great oils but w/o running them through the sequence tests you really don't know.
I think the additive suppliers do most of that already for the company and then RL would boost/add to improve the performance. From my understanding that is how it works.
on my newly acquired Red Line 0w40 it states on the bottle a pour point of -45C. On the PDS it states -60 C...?
I just installed 0W20 in my 05 Hyundai Elantra.
Ken
Ken
Never noticed. Have been running 5W-20 But it did seem to have some more power (seat of the pants)?
Ken
Ken
Originally Posted By: iunderpressure
Ok, what are Noack and HTHS?
Noack(volatility) is the resistance the oil has to evaporation of its oil molecules. When oil loses its lighter molecules it thickens and its viscosity changes and the oil goes out of grad. (The lower the number the better)
HTHS (High Temperature/High Shear) How well an oil protects under high heat/high shear conditions. (Higher number gives better protection.)
Ok, what are Noack and HTHS?
Noack(volatility) is the resistance the oil has to evaporation of its oil molecules. When oil loses its lighter molecules it thickens and its viscosity changes and the oil goes out of grad. (The lower the number the better)
HTHS (High Temperature/High Shear) How well an oil protects under high heat/high shear conditions. (Higher number gives better protection.)
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