Recommend: PP vs. RL

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What oil should I use for my summer oil change for the car in my sig?

For anyone that doesn't know this car. The Motor is a 3.8 litre supercharged. The car will be seeing some mods in the near future, nothing major. Hoping to take a good second off my quarter mile time. With that being said the car will see some track time, again not major. Probably about 10-12 passes at the most.

Normal Driving is 95% highway. I drive pretty easy on the highway. I try to maintain good gas mileage, so not too much WOT.

This engine is notoriously good on oil but Will PP protect well enough?

The only reason I wouldn't use RL is because it costs $13/quart where as I could get a jug of PP for under $30. Keep in mind I'm a high school student so cash is not plentiful.

I'd like to keep my OCI of 12k km or 7.5k miles.

Thanks
Fred
 
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Fred,

You are over thinking the oil quite a bit. PP will do just fine in your car with NO worries.

Your vehicle does not need $13 a quart oil IMO.

A UOA after let's say 5,000 miles will calm your doubts.

Be safe and watch your $$.

Take care, bill
 
If cash is tight run PP, or maybe PU. They both should provide enough protection for your engine.

I'm a huge RL fan but don't their motor oil run in my daily driver, just too much money.
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
If cash is tight run PP, or maybe PU. They both should provide enough protection for your engine.

I'm a huge RL fan but don't their motor oil run in my daily driver, just too much money.


Of course I agree with ben, BUT Redl;ine is very nice. If you can spring for it I say why not. If not get some PU

PP would also be great for a little less cash
 
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PP is a great oil and will remove 46% of any sludge. :) Someone always has PP on sale.
Don't forget to check the oil in the supercharger and replace when needed.
 
Whats wrong with your current amsoil oil....I would think it is as good as Redline, and certainly much better than the penzoil choices you are considering for your intended use?
 
Well i can tell you i'd for one(I've owned two SC3800) would stick with a syn for sure whether it's PP or RL theses forced feed 3800 can run hot and produce some great torque/HP numbers so if you can swing it run the RL,not a thing wrong with PP but in this situation i'd want a better built oil,this is far from a stock situation.

the Amsoil would work too SSO is a tough oil,also run a 180 deg thermo!
 
Okay thanks, that's what I was beginning to think. I just wanted to be sure.

I would love to run PU but here is the email I recieved from SOPUS upon asking about it coming to Canada:

Quote:
Dear Fred:
There is no forecast to launch this product in Canada yet.
Regards.


I'd imagine PU will be like Edge. By the time We Canadians get to try it, it's old news around here. About 1 month after we gt Edge, Ultra was released, and it was common knowledge that Edge did not live up to the hype.
 
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your SSO and Redline are well built group 4/5 synthetic oils, why would you even consider dropping down to a mineral oil group 3 based product under these tough operating conditions????
 
Originally Posted By: PhillyJoe
PP is a great oil and will remove 46% of any sludge. :) Someone always has PP on sale.
Don't forget to check the oil in the supercharger and replace when needed.

MMM Supercharger oil. The most vile substance on the planet

Originally Posted By: qship1996
Whats wrong with your current amsoil oil....I would think it is as good as Redline, and certainly much better than the penzoil choices you are considering for your intended use?


Amsoil is as expensive if not more than the RL, for the SSO at least. I also want to try something new. I have yet to put the same oil in back to back in this car.

Originally Posted By: daman
Well i can tell you i'd for one(I've owned two SC3800) would stick with a syn for sure whether it's PP or RL theses forced feed 3800 can run hot and produce some great torque/HP numbers so if you can swing it run the RL,not a thing wrong with PP but in this situation i'd want a better built oil,this is far from a stock situation.

the Amsoil would work too SSO is a tough oil,also run a 180 deg thermo!

Got the 180 in already as well as colder plugs. It's getting headers next week. then hopefully drop a couple pulleys and then possibly high ratio rockers. Should be a [censored] fine sleeper. Watch out mustangs! lol
 
Oops,
Sorry for the profanity folks.
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Originally Posted By: qship1996
Whats wrong with your current amsoil oil....I would think it is as good as Redline, and certainly much better than the penzoil choices you are considering for your intended use?


Originally Posted By: qship1996
your SSO and Redline are well built group 4/5 synthetic oils, why would you even consider dropping down to a mineral oil group 3 based product under these tough operating conditions????


Are you READING his original post?

Originally Posted By: Slippery_Pete

The only reason I wouldn't use RL is because it costs $13/quart where as I could get a jug of PP for under $30. Keep in mind I'm a high school student so cash is not plentiful.


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And the PP/PU will do FINE in his app.
Don't get caught up in the Group III/IV/V stuff...
 
One would think if you have the money to spend on go fast parts and modifications, the price of an oil would not be a factor?{obviously he has spent coin before on oil as evedenced in his current use of amsoil sso} I certainly do not think a group 3 product will protct as well as a group 4/5 based product IN THIS APPLICATION.
 
Originally Posted By: qship1996
One would think if you have the money to spend on go fast parts and modifications, the price of an oil would not be a factor?{obviously he has spent coin before on oil as evedenced in his current use of amsoil sso} I certainly do not think a group 3 product will protct as well as a group 4/5 based product IN THIS APPLICATION.


Even though he has stated that price IS a factor?
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qship, you need to get over the Grp III vs IV thing. It's been discussed to death. PU/PP would be find in this engine unless he needs higher levels of ZDP due to the engine type.
 
power costs money.....both in hard parts and additional ongoing maintenance costs. How fast do you want to go?
 
Originally Posted By: Slippery_Pete
Originally Posted By: PhillyJoe
PP is a great oil and will remove 46% of any sludge. :) Someone always has PP on sale.
Don't forget to check the oil in the supercharger and replace when needed.

MMM Supercharger oil. The most vile substance on the planet

Originally Posted By: qship1996
Whats wrong with your current amsoil oil....I would think it is as good as Redline, and certainly much better than the penzoil choices you are considering for your intended use?


Amsoil is as expensive if not more than the RL, for the SSO at least. I also want to try something new. I have yet to put the same oil in back to back in this car.

Originally Posted By: daman
Well i can tell you i'd for one(I've owned two SC3800) would stick with a syn for sure whether it's PP or RL theses forced feed 3800 can run hot and produce some great torque/HP numbers so if you can swing it run the RL,not a thing wrong with PP but in this situation i'd want a better built oil,this is far from a stock situation.

the Amsoil would work too SSO is a tough oil,also run a 180 deg thermo!

Got the 180 in already as well as colder plugs. It's getting headers next week. then hopefully drop a couple pulleys and then possibly high ratio rockers. Should be a [censored] fine sleeper. Watch out mustangs! lol

I never raced mine they were quick enough in stock form for me but yea it'll move out good with them mods alway premium but im sure you know that.
 
Originally Posted By: qship1996
power costs money.....both in hard parts and additional ongoing maintenance costs. How fast do you want to go?


Again, you are not READING his post. Money is a issue.

The FACT is that any of the Syn oils out there will be fine in his app. He asked about RL vs PP.

I'm not going to bump up my post count chatting the same points. I've made mine... Again.
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Bill
 
Originally Posted By: buster
qship, you need to get over the Grp III vs IV thing. It's been discussed to death. PU/PP would be find in this engine unless he needs higher levels of ZDP due to the engine type.

Originally Posted By: Slippery_Pete
possibly high ratio rockers.

lots of load on the 3800 aftermarket HR rocker/springs,unless it's a roller tip then not as much of an issue.
 
Admitted, it seems silly to drop money on go fast parts and not having an oil to back it up.
This won't be a 10 second car. It's a car that's meant to be fun to drive and will see a few track passes and occasional redlight races for my own pleasure.

If I had to guess I'd say I'd be adding about 40hp bringing the estimated crank HP to about 280hp. Would you say that any other 3.8 litre making 280ish HP (crank) needs a high demand oil like RL or SSO?
I don't think so.

I'm pretty sure that supertech dino would cut it. More risk of engine falilure? Sure. But if engine failure is 10x more likely on PP than RL 10x 0.00001% is not much.
Just my Opinion.
 
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