QSGB Formula change???

[KCJeep]

I have long wanted to try Pennzoil Conventional's kissin' cousin Quaker State Conventional in my Jeep. So I went ahead and bought the next OCI's worth to finally try.

I was interested as I wanted to try Quaker State Conventional's boron heavy add pack to compare vs Pennzoil Conventional's moly heavy add pack. For a long time now, Quaker State Conventional has had 200+ ppm boron and about 100 ppm moly. Pennzoil Conventional in SN formula has had about 100 ppm boron and 250 ppm moly. So I wanted to tinker with the Quaker State Conventional for fun.

Then I stumbled on a recent VOA of Quaker State Conventional that showed 100 ppm boron and about 170 ppm moly. And now I can't find it again, I think it was dated 2015. Anyway if that is the actual case, that makes Quaker State Conventional more of a Pennzoil Conventional "lite" IMO and I'd rather just stick with my trusty yellow bottle.

Anybody know? I can't find the link I saw again.

 

[wemay]

Quaker State Conventional 5w30 as tested by PQIA after 7/2015

http://www.pqiadata.org/QuakerState5W30712015.html



As opposed to this one which was tested sometime after 1/2015

http://www.pqiadata.org/QuakerState5W30.html

 

[slug_bug]

Here's the link to the PQIA analysis from 2015.
http://www.pqiadata.org/QuakerState5W30712015.html

If you want boron try Chevron Delo400 LE (in the summertime!)557ppm

oops. I see Wemay beat me to it.

 

[KCJeep]

That's it! The link I somehow lost. But now I am more confused, there are 2 2015 VOA's one is the former known brew the other is it new or just a fluke run of some type?

Is that the 5w40 Delo you are mentioning slug? Don't think I wanna pay for that, would be interested in the XLE 10w30 but I think it's basically like Rotella, ZDDP and not anything else IIRC. Since I do a lot of short trips now was interested in a boron add pack. Not that it really makes much difference but hey that is what oil nerds do!

 

[slug_bug]

I was referring the the HDEO 15w40. That's why I said only in summer.

Seems like an HDEO would be ok in a 2004. Link to PQI report with the Delo:
http://www.pqiamerica.com/June 2014/consolidated HDEO 2015.html

 

[BrocLuno]

Delo is good in Jeeps

 

[KCJeep]

Yes it is I ran the 15w40 once in the summer, mine however does not like oil THAT thick I ended up having to dilute it a bit. Others run 15w40 without issue though.

I checked my Quaker State Conventional it's all January 2016 I am betting it's the "new" stuff.

Kinda defeats my purpose I think I'm gonna exchange it.

 

[daves87rs]

 

[KCJeep]

Well since Quaker State Conventional is now apparently just a Pennzoil conventional "lite" I took it back and got some more Pennzoil instead. I have been running Pennzoil in the Jeep for several years and was going to tinker with Quaker State Conventional for fun but I guess not.

It occurred to me as I was exchanging that SOPUS tinkered with both Defy and now Quaker State Conventional this last year, and I don't think either change was particularly an improvement.

 

[53' Stude]

You disappoint me. What is wrong with Quaker State Conventional?? Pennzoil Conventional is overrated as is Pennzoil High Mileage

 

[53' Stude]

Or what the he** is so dam impressive about Pennzoil conventional??

 

[slacktide_bitog]

Quaker State Conventional is Hyundai/Kia factory fill

 

[Torrid]

Duh it's yellow and says Pennzoil on it. That's why I put it in my car!

 

[KCJeep]

There is absolutely nothing "wrong" with Quaker State Conventional. But if it is going to use the same add pack as Pennzoil conventional, except less of it, I'll take the Pennzoil conventional thank you.

I wish they had left it alone but I guess I can't complain cause I really never got around to using it. Defy is another matter they really messed that stuff up.

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: car51
Or what the he** is so dam impressive about Pennzoil conventional??


I got no dog in the fight, can't get either here, but it's due to these impressive VOA from PQIA. High TBN, very low Noack, with good Molly and Boron.

http://www.pqiadata.org/Pennzoil10W30.html

http://www.pqiamerica.com/Nov2013/Pennzoil.htm

That Noack volatility is better than a few synthetics.

 

[Torrid]

Yep that's the reason I run it in my car and chose the 10w30 over 5w30.

 

[Gene K]

In my opinion Pennzoil conventional runs the highest quality base stock of any conventional. Its more shear resistant than many synthetics. Add to that what appears to be a stout add pack and high TBN.


Thats just opinion but seeing as I dont use it I got no dog in this fight.

 

[SR5]

KCJeep, what about Formula Shell or Kendall ? Last time I looked they both had a big dose of Boron and a small dose of Moly.

 

[KCJeep]

Good options both but not available here. I have been using Trop Artic in my other vehicles a good bit for several years, and it is boron heavy as well. But it is not available in the heavier grades I favor for the Jeep, and my only source for it just pulled out and left town anyway.

 

[53' Stude]

Yeah, but as discussed; SOPUS can stop using the GTL in their oils whenever they want to