QS dino 5w-20 @ 7.5k; Ford 2.5L @ 30k

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This is the 2nd UOA on my 2010 Fusion. Oil is always 5w-20 SM dino that meets or exceeds the Ford specs. Car is used 50% hwy & 50% city, give or take a little. This current UOA is my third run of QS brand dino oil; any “normalization” to that fluid should have taken place by now. Any item not noted is at zero.

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Brand QS Mobil Univ Avg

type GB 5000

Oil miles 7.5k 6k 4.9k

Veh miles 30k 7.5k n/a



Al 4 6 3

Fe 8 9 9

Cu 3 34 4

Pb 0 0 0

Moly 101 117 86

Potas 0 1 1

Boron 101 24 70

Si 19 29 12

Sodium 25 2 15

Calcium 2274 2231 2176

Magn 9 11 50

Phos 802 670 712

Zinc 868 861 834





Sus V @ 210 52.9 50.8 range 46-59

cSt V @ 100 C 8.1 7.5 range 6.0-10.2

FP 400 390 should be > 350

Fuel
Insol .2 .3 should be < .6

TBN 3.0 3.8 should be > 1.0


Blackstone notes (abbreviated):
Wear metals low; univ avg is based upon 4.9k miles; silicon is only thing lingering a bit. No contaminants found. TBN strong at 3.0.

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The “universal avg” is 4.9k miles, and I went 7.5k miles (53% more). I’d say my engine is wearing nicely, since my numbers are now at average values, with more than average mileage. The Si is a bit of an unknown, but it’s not manifesting in wear at this point, so I’m not going to worry about it. TBN is good with the QS. The first UOA was on dino Mobil, and it typically starts around TBN 8.7-9.0 or so according to some VOAs info I’ve found. The QS starts at around 7.5 or so. The Mobil dropped its TBN by a value of 5.0 in 6k miles, but the QS dropped only 4.5 is 7.5k miles. That’s interesting. However, I’d note that only two data points don't make for a firm conclusion, but more of a supposition. IOW - I cannot say for sure that the QS was "better" than the Mobil, but I can expect both would last further than 7.5k miles.

All fluids have been conventional oils (except for the presumed factory fill of MC semi-syn run for 1.5k miles); so much for the “nay sayers” that think semi-syn or syn is a must ... If it meets Ford’s specs, it’s good enough for me.

I was using QS dino oil because I got a lot of it on sale at $2/qrt from Menards more than a year ago. However, I’m now on Peak 5w-20 dino motor oil; they were the “flavor de jour” on sale with rebate at AAP, so I stocked up for three OCIs worth. Because I’m under warranty, I’m not going to push past the 7.5k miles. But it’s clear to me that I could easily go 9k, perhaps even 10k miles, on good ol’ dino oil.
 
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Thanks, I really appreciate this UOA - I'm running QS 5W-20 GB in my Tribute 3.0 right now. Results here look great! I especially like that visc. stayed spot-on, virgin is 8.2cst.

I'm planning on changing it near the end of March, and by then it should have about 5k on it. I've done a couple of 5k UOA's on 'dino' 5W-20's on this vehicle, and they always show enough TBN that the oil could most likely easily go 7.5k miles, just like you see here.

Even though the oil could probably easily go 7.5k or more, I'm reluctant to go more than 5k, unless it's on a syn...yeah, that's silly for me, when I've done numerous 8-9k runs with my previous car, but I actually care about the Tribute, and want it to last, so i fall into typical 'BITOGER syndrome'!

LOL........
 
Nice UOA indeed. I stocked up on 30 quarts of QSGB during Kmart's sale and i'm glad to see the oil performing well. Makes me feel a bit more comfortable.
 
Good UOA. I've got the same in my new vehicle that I'm about to change this next weekend (for warranty reasons) with 5k on it and wondering if I'll get a UOA on it. It is the 5w-20 SN QS so I just may since it would give me a base.

Doubt I'll get a TBN on this batch since the vehicle is still pretty new (right around 10k) and get a UOA with TBN come this spring when I know I'll be close to the 7,500 miles within 6 months.

Thanks for posting the UOA. Of course it will have little action (comments) since its not the "best" in many members mindset.

But at least you are putting your $$ for data. And in the end your engine IS just as well protected and will last just as long as any other API rated oil. (no matter the type)
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After two separate UOAs with TBN, I doubt I'll get any more TBN testing done. With "normal" OCIs, it's just a waste of money to continue. It was worth doing a couple of times to show people that the TBN easily stays viable for 7.5k miles (and well past that).

I'll probably run these next three OCIs with the Peak motor oil, and perhaps do a UOA at the end of that third run; that would allow the engine to normalize to the Peak 22.5 miles from now. I got the Peak for $2/qrt with rebate.

With this kind of evidence, I'm seriously considering trying SuperTech after the Peak. In all the VOAs and UOAs I've seen, there's nothing to fear with using ST for the standard OCI duration. However, that decision is a ways off, and who knows what great buy I'll find between now and then?
 
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Haha, keep going down the ladder until you get to the cheapest of the cheap dino oils. I wanna see the UOAs of those.
 
Originally Posted By: Artem
Haha, keep going down the ladder until you get to the cheapest of the cheap dino oils. I wanna see the UOAs of those.


Spoken like a true believer in the premise that "If it co$t$ MORE it ha$ to be $o much $uperior!"

Cheers!

p.s. Nothing wrong with using any 5W-20 that meets the OEM spec, is there? Not with results like those shown.
 
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I don't get that from his post, either.

He's curious how lower-rung oils would do at these intervals - what's wrong with that?
 
I concur, looks great. A good example that there's more to oil than VOA's, perhaps base stocks are contributing to the difference in TBN retention between Mobil and the QSGB?
 
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My notes:
The “universal avg” is 4.9k miles, and I went 7.5k miles (53% more). I’d say my engine is wearing nicely, since my numbers are now at average values, with more than average mileage. The Si is a bit of an unknown, but it’s not manifesting in wear at this point, so I’m not going to worry about it. TBN is good with the QS. The first UOA was on dino Mobil, and it typically starts around TBN 8.7-9.0 or so according to some VOAs info I’ve found. The QS starts at around 7.5 or so. The Mobil dropped its TBN by a value of 5.0 in 6k miles, but the QS dropped only 4.5 is 7.5k miles. That’s interesting. However, I’d note that only two data points don't make for a firm conclusion, but more of a supposition. IOW - I cannot say for sure that the QS was "better" than the Mobil, but I can expect both would last further than 7.5k miles.


Could the fact that the engine had less miles on it (was still breaking-in) have anything to do with the difference in TBN retention between M 1 and QS dino?
 
Can you do a run of Valvoline 5w-20? I have this theory that Valvoline is inferior in this area. I'll even pay for the UOA...
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Can you do a run of Valvoline 5w-20? I have this theory that Valvoline is inferior in this area. I'll even pay for the UOA...



In what way do you believe Valvoline to be "inferior". (Not being an agitator; it's just that I'm unclear as to what point you were inferring. TBN?)

I'd be willing to run whatever oil (that is properly spec'd for my equipment) someone wants me to run, if they are willing to pay for the UOA. Like I said, though, you'll have to wait until my 3-OCI cycle of Peak runs out. At 7.5k miles each, that would be about 1.5 years from now. But, sure, I'm willing to experiment.

Overall, I like to experiment with the out-lying products. The thin HDEOs, the less-expensive PCMOs, etc. They generally provide service well above what most people would give credit for.
 
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Want to see Valvoline 5w-20 in this engine for 7.5k after Peak, just to see what's up with TC's suspicions!
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Nice results, good job.
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