Well said and correct!
proof that fram is inferior
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Well said and correct!
You'd be happy with the current AutoZone synthetic special then. I just picked up a couple of them and plan to get a couple more in the next few days to stock up. You get a Fram TG Filter (6.50 regularly) and 5 qts of Valvoline SynPower Synthetic for 17.99. That's too good to pass up for me.
Ok from here on out, if anyone discusses FRAM in reference to big old orange one, we can say it sucks but all others are actually good filters. And when a manuf like Honda lets FRAM make them to specification for all their OEM stuff, *those* FRAMS , infact are great.
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IMO, the A02 Honeywell Honda filters are just as cheap as Frams. They still use the cheap cardboard endcaps, etc. I'll only use A01 or HAMPs in my car, or other filters with better construction, such as the SuperTechs, Napa Gold, Amsoil, Purolators, etc. Basically anything but Fram
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IMO, the A02 Honeywell Honda filters are just as cheap as Frams. They still use the cheap cardboard endcaps, etc. I'll only use A01 or HAMPs in my car, or other filters with better construction, such as the SuperTechs, Napa Gold, Amsoil, Purolators, etc. Basically anything but Fram
Not really, the higher line filters use the exact same ADBV, just made of a different material. The problem is not the material, it's the design. It's thin with nothing to support it from collapsing in on itself. I wouldn't doubt if a good number of Fram filter bypass like the one in my picture, and no one notices. The only reason this one is obvious is because it hardened into place.
All fram filters are bad because of the ADBV design, the change in material on the expensive filters does not change this.
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Collapse internally?
I suppose you just tossed the filter, never took any pictures, and never wrote a single letter to anyone about this?
Would you have saved that filter, and shown proof it was inferior and caused 1k damage, odds are the company would take care of you.
Do the orange cans use cheap materials, yes. Are they prone to fail or perform poorly. - ABSOLUTLY NOT.
If I use a $.02 cork gasket instead of a $1.00 rubber gasket, does that mean my cork gasket is inferior and wont hold a seal? Of course not.
If I buy a helmet made of fiberglass for $150 instead of polycarbonate or carbon fiber for $500, does that mean the fiberglass helmet wont protect my head? ABSOLUTLY NOT.
this sure looks like it failed or performed poorly to me
what about you??
FRAM filters suck!!!
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this sure looks like it failed or performed poorly to me
what about you??
FRAM filters suck!!!
That filter VERY, VERY dirty. The reduction in flow with continued fluid pressure coming in, caused PARTIAL collapse and loss of oil flow. That can happen to ANY filter.
THAT IS NOT A FAILURE.
THAT....IS POOR MAINTENCE.
No company would respond your claim with the filthy filter.
Please try again...
Don't need to, that filter failed, i've never seen any
other's do that, with a pressure relief that should not of
happened.
FRAMS suck!!!!
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Ah ...we have a Honeywell mole me thinks
Al that Fram has to do is cut their marketing budget in half and raise their costs $0.10/filter and they'll, eventually, regain some respect for their Orange Can. No one asks them to sponsor so many race cars ..etc. Their success is due to nothing more than Madison Avenue antics ..and not anything to do with quality of content.
The attitude about Fram is totally justified, imo
They're a poor choice for the money in any configuration that they're offered in. There are better offerings to be had on a $:$ basis at every evolution.
Al that Fram has to do is cut their marketing budget in half and raise their costs $0.10/filter and they'll, eventually, regain some respect for their Orange Can. No one asks them to sponsor so many race cars ..etc. Their success is due to nothing more than Madison Avenue antics ..and not anything to do with quality of content.
The attitude about Fram is totally justified, imo
i want to thank all of u for ur input and advice ..it all comes down to that fram filters are cheap [but still work] but there are better quality filters on the market.at the same price ???? [quality has a price!!!!]
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this sure looks like it failed or performed poorly to me
what about you??
FRAM filters suck!!!
You forgot to mention the itty-bitty caveat to the 3 year old picture you posted. At the borrom of the web page where the picture is hosted it states:
"*Note: I am unaware of the vehicle that this filter came off of, or how long it was used."
So...I don't see how you can take one instance of a filter of undetermined age and mileage that apparently failed and use it as the centerpiece of your argument.
I'm guessing you haven't seen any other Frams do that either....since you haven't provided a more recent example (< 3 years old) or even multiple examples.
Isn't it time to pick a new oil filter to bash around? It's the old folks that remember when Fram made better filters, but things change. One company buys another and so one and pretty soon the only thing left of the original company is the name. A long, long time ago there was a car called the Model T and everything in it except the gas, oil and tires were made by Ford. Henry even said that the cost of all the individual parts would never exceed the price of the car on the showroom. He said that if you bough it from the dealer the assembly was free. So, lots of things change including Fram. If you went to the parts department and bought all the pieces to a Crown Vic you could probably buy the dealership, instead, and you'd still have to put it together. The best thing to do with the Fram issue is to vote with your next purchase, yes or no. Other than that, who cares?
Fram filters on a 1986 VW jetta that just passed 312k miles must prove that Fram makes total junk.
I'd say its had Fram on it atleast 95% of the time. Never an issue. In 110 degree heat or -20 below zero.
Wonder how that happens?
Bill
PS: I have not run a Fram filter since I came onto this board. Why? Better filters for the $$. IF the Fram was cheaper by quite a bit over a Supertech, I'd prob still be using them.
I'd say its had Fram on it atleast 95% of the time. Never an issue. In 110 degree heat or -20 below zero.
Wonder how that happens?
Bill
PS: I have not run a Fram filter since I came onto this board. Why? Better filters for the $$. IF the Fram was cheaper by quite a bit over a Supertech, I'd prob still be using them.
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this sure looks like it failed or performed poorly to me
what about you??
FRAM filters suck!!!
You forgot to mention the itty-bitty caveat to the 3 year old picture you posted. At the borrom of the web page where the picture is hosted it states:
"*Note: I am unaware of the vehicle that this filter came off of, or how long it was used."
So...I don't see how you can take one instance of a filter of undetermined age and mileage that apparently failed and use it as the centerpiece of your argument.
I'm guessing you haven't seen any other Frams do that either....since you haven't provided a more recent example (< 3 years old) or even multiple examples.
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I could care less how old the pic is,,the simple fact is
it failed ,i've cut lots of FRAM's open
that friends and family gave me they all look like
cheap ____ garbage in side,face it dude!!!!
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Ah ...we have a Honeywell mole me thinks
Yeah...sure you do.
I'm VERY shocked to see an admin come out and say such a thing with out researching it first.
You have the ability to view my IP, why dont you locate it to find the city I work in before saying something like that.
Its guys like above, who post pics that arent their's, jumping on the bashing bandwagon that get this all out of proportion.
So the orange cans are made cheap. Yeah, so. They still work, and many other brand names are printed on the same can too, and we arent seeing or hearing of failures.
For a $1 less, buy a Walmart Supertech. For $1-4 more, you can buy anything else. Great. Never did I say to buy the Orange can anyway. Its being treated unfairly, thats all.
I'm called a mole for this type of thinking, and not jumping on the bashing bandwagon? Gee, thanks.
I just got a tough gard with the Synpower deal, it is heavily built, at least on the outside, and has a silicone ADBV, not that it matters to me. However they normally wanted $6.50 for the TG. I would not pay $6.50 for any filter in most cases, but based on the feel of this TG I would use it at the $3-4 range. I think I will cut this TG open when I am done with it.
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