The new Lake Speed Jr video tackles this topic and the consensus is that it's definitely beneficial to pre fill the oil filter, especially with lower viscosity oils.
The new Lake Speed Jr video tackles this topic and the consensus is that it's definitely beneficial to pre fill the oil filter, especially with lower viscosity oils.
It depends on how thick the oil is and how much flow the pump puts out during a cold engine start-up RPM scenario. I think the oil would have to be pretty cold and thick to activate the filter bypass valve at low RPM during a cold engine start-up. Even if the oil filter was pre-filled the oil viscosity and flow rate will be the same going through the filter, so there's really no factor involved associated with the filter being completely empty or completely full of oil. The dP across the filter will only depend on the oil viscosity and pump flow.Would an empty filter on a initial start have the bypass valve open as soon as oil hit it?
I think much like amperage surge under start conditions for electrical loads so is the oil pressure buildup on a started engine in relation to downstream 0 psi areas and oil volume.It depends on how thick the oil is and how much flow the pump puts out during a cold engine start-up RPM scenario. I think the oil would have to be pretty cold and thick to activate the filter bypass valve at low RPM during a cold engine start-up. Even if the oil filter was pre-filled the oil viscosity and flow rate will be the same going through the filter, so there's really no factor involved associated with the filter being completely empty or completely full of oil. The dP across the filter will only depend on the oil viscosity and pump flow.
Think of the oil flow volume as the current. The flow will be only what the positive displacement oil pump puts out. That flow is determined by the engine RPM. So if the RPM is the same with the oil filter bone dry or completely full, that oil flow volume will be exactly the same if the RPM is exactly the same. Oil viscosity held constant. The dP across the filter media will be the same regardless if it's full or empty of oil when the engine is started.I think much like amperage surge under start conditions for electrical loads so is the oil pressure buildup on a started engine in relation to downstream 0 psi areas and oil volume.
So that cold oil is hitting the filter media at a ~60/0 psi dp?
How many people pre fill their OF before installing it? Both of my vehicles I do and both are vertical under the engine. I prefer not to have a dry start for a second or two. Both of my vehicle’s I prefill the filter with Redline 10/40. A little extra ZDDP also I like the bottle. Easy pour into a OF
Another good reason to use thick oilThe new Lake Speed Jr video tackles this topic and the consensus is that it's definitely beneficial to pre fill the oil filter, especially with lower viscosity oils.
Why not? Even if the filter is upside down you can still put a little bit of oil in there to absorb into the media.cant on our toyota
I do that on my 4.0L Tacoma with a base down vertical spin-on filter. It will actually take quite a bit of oil to soak the media, and I can still install it without any oil coming out the center tube.Why not? Even if the filter is upside down you can still put a little bit of oil in there to absorb into the media.
Well there is a big difference between him and project farm.Certainly won't hurt anything, assuming you were clean while performing the operation.
How would anyone prove it beneficial? Does it really matter? What percentage of world wide oil changes every day pre-fill the oil filter?
If it's easy, sure, go ahead, but I wouldn't be lulled into any sort of warm fuzzy you're doing anything that matters much.
My .02. Do what ya want!
EDIT: IF anyone else starts quoting that Lake six pack dude from youtube, I'm going to start quoting PF. You have been warned, so "Let's Find Out!"
If you have a turbo, give the pleats a good soaking with A1 Bold and Spicy. POOOOOWWWWWEEEERRRRR!That post of the P1 I had posted earlier gets Prefilled with M1 0w30. Granted, 0.2 isnt drastic but I'm not opening a gallon of Redline just for that. It soaked the filter media and marinated all yesterday like Montréal Steak seasoning.
On surface, I agree with you......but, there are still some things about the dude that, yeah, just not for me.Well there is a big difference between him and project farm.
Outstanding Research!A few previous threads on this oft-asked question:
Prefilling Oil Filters - Necessary?
Hey, guys. I know, I'm sure I am beating a dead horse and it's inevitable I'm going to annoy some people with this question. For years, I have prefilled (as much as I can) the oil filter on my F-150, in an effort to help the engine receive oil flow to the bearings, as soon as possible. I'm...bobistheoilguy.comPrefilling oil filters: not good?
Hi, I found this here: http://www.widman.biz/uploads/Corvair_oil.pdf (page 19) "You should not pre-fill the filter unless you do it from the outer ring holes. Any oil that goes into the center will reach the engine unfiltered (and there is no cleanliness standard for new oils)." Does this...bobistheoilguy.comNever Prefill oil filters!
Because the oil you add will go right into the engine unfiltered!bobistheoilguy.comDo you fill your filter before installing it?
I have met a few people that always fill their oil filter before putting it on the vehicle. Something about starving the engine of oil when you start it for the first time with the new filter. Can someone explain this to me please? I have never done it and have never experienced any problems...bobistheoilguy.comLearned Lesson...Prefill Oil Filter
Yesterday, for the first time ever in the life of a 1999 Freightliner truck with a Cummins B engine, I did not prefill the Fleetguard oil filter during a oil change. On start-up, the oil pressure gauge did not register any pressure for about eight seconds, too long for my comfort. When...bobistheoilguy.comDo you fill the new filter w/ oil before installing?
I've always changed the filter after simply greasing the gasket seal with a little bit of oil. However, I've heard that it's better to fill the filter canister with as much oil as possible so that when you minimize the length of time needed for the oil to start flowing when the engine is first...bobistheoilguy.comThis guy says pre-filling an oil filter is bad and that all manufacturers say so.
Fast forward to 13:50bobistheoilguy.comIs this mechanic right about not filling filter with oil?
This guy gets pretty passionate at the 11:45 mark about how you should not fill filters with oil. Is he right?bobistheoilguy.comDo You "Prime" Your Oil Filters Before Installing Them ?
By "prime" them, I mean do you add oil to the filter before you screw it in place? I know a horizontal mount won't allow for this, and obviously any type of cartridge filter. But I always do on all 3 of my cars, and notice the oil pressure comes up much faster, by not waiting for the oil pump...bobistheoilguy.comDo you prefill/prime your oil filter ??????
This has got to have been asked before but I tried the search and can't find it. For specifics, I'm going to be doing my first oil change on a 2014 Ford Transit Connect with the 1.6L Ecoboost. Oil filter is on the side (read that as a pain in the .....). When installing the new filter is there...bobistheoilguy.comMechanic installed filter without filling with oil
I was rather surprised that the mechanic I've been taking my car to for an oil change installed a new filter without adding oil to it 1st. How big of a deal is this? I've always done oil changes myself in the past but I didn't want to deal with the hassle anymore. I don't know if he was just...bobistheoilguy.comFilling up new oil filter prior to installation
I was wondering how many folks feel that it is a better practice to fill up a new spin on oil filter with oil prior to installation than to install it empty? I typically install the oil filter on my 2006 Pilot without filling it up first. The Helm service manual does not mention the need to...bobistheoilguy.comFill oil filter at every oil change
I was watching a video recently where the person suggest filling the filter with oil before putting it on because it reduce wear that can occur when you restart the car after an oil change. The idea is that you get some wear because the engine don't get oil until the filter fills with oil and...bobistheoilguy.comPlsTell me what you know about filling oil filters
A little preamble. I'm writing a sample technical definition for a graduate class. I chose to do it about the pre-filling of oil filters. Any information that I gather WONT be published anywhere, nor posted on the internet. This assignment isn't going to be technically rigorous; it is only meant...bobistheoilguy.comAny advantage to prefill filter?
I never have in the spin on filters, however now that I have a boosted engine would be better too fill it before I put it on? The filter I chose is MC 910S. It looks interesting to take off, my first oil change in it.bobistheoilguy.comHow many people here prefill their filter?
I'd do a poll if I could but we don't have that option. I'm wondering how many people prefill their oil filters before they put them on? I've had several friends watch me do this and the usual reaction is "why, I've never seen anybody do that before" I let my engines drain overnight if I can, so...bobistheoilguy.comPre-Fill Filters
I have an e-core just waiting for my next oil change. There are 5 symbols. 1st: Wipe the base 2nd: Lube the gasket 3rd Hand tighten until gasket contacts the base. 4th Then add 3/4 turn 5th Check for leaks. ( Which is an oil drop with a line through )bobistheoilguy.comWhat do you all mean by pre filling?
Guys, New to this board but a wealth of info. What does pre filling mean when I see this? thanks againbobistheoilguy.comU Dont Need To Prefill Oil Filter..Scotty Kilmer
He's totally off the mark. IMO Starts @ 1:20bobistheoilguy.comDo you pre-fill the filter with oil during OC?
I've been changing oil for 40 years on motorcycles and cars and never heard of this practice until I started hanging out here. I'm curious what percentage of people do this and is there any documented advantage to it. None of my engines have ever blown up for lack of lubrication on start up...bobistheoilguy.compre-fill filter?
Hi everyone, I have a 1990 Ford F-150 4.9L I know that pre-filling the filter is a good idea to reduce the amount of time the engine runs with no oil pressure on that first start up. I just changed the oil in my truck today (started the first Auto-RX rinse phase). I'm using Shell Rotella...bobistheoilguy.comAnyone else pre-soak the filter?
On both my vehicles I always pre soak the filter media in clean oil before installing it. Neither has a vertical mounted filter that I could fill; one is a top mount Subaru and the other a side mount Toyota catridge style filter. I picked up this habit from a relative who was an engineer and...bobistheoilguy.comDo You Pre Fill Your Oil Filter?
My Honda is a bottom mounted oil filter and the Subaru is a top mounted oil filter. I do not pre fill my oil filters, ever. I have never had an issue, never heard increased noise upon initial startup after an oil change. But, I am thinking, am I doing real harm by not pre filling? How would you...bobistheoilguy.com