People saying to change your oil at 1000 miles on new vehicle.

[camrydriver111]

Nothing to do with the rings. Those seat fairly quickly. Honda doesn't want you to change the original oil because it is usually loaded with assembly lube.

I'd have to look back at my records, but I bought my 03 Accord new and changed early. It still doesn't use much oil at almost 300k. Maybe a qt over the 7500 OCI I use now.

Assembly lube contains Moly, which is a friction modifier. It reduces friction, but increases wear.

Otherwise assembly lube is only required for the initial startup.

It seems like Honda wants to increase wear in the first OCI. Is it to knock down those peaks in the cylinder walls?

 

[2heeldrive]

I always do the first oil change early. How early? Well, it depends... somewhere between 1000 and 2000 miles. The only exception was on my 2000 V6 Honda, where I kept it in for 3500, miles per the owners manual. I also change oil early and often on small engines. There are always a lot of sparkles in the oil.

Oh... and to open another can of worms, I follow the manufactures break-in procedure also. I always drive easy and with varying speeds for the first 500 miles or so. My cars have never used a drop of oil or have had any engine problems at all. Maybe I'm just lucky?

It probably doesn't make much difference these days with modern engines that are run in at the factory, but it has worked for me, and I plan to keep doing it.

 

[kballowe]

I usually go 1,000 on a new automobile, and 500 on a motorcycle. 5 hours on a lawnmower. I cannot bring myself to use a Fram oil filter, but judging by the huge Walmart display, everyone else buys them. It's what makes me sleep well at night

 

[Corollaman]

I usually change around 500 miles on a new vehicle, although I've only owned two new vehicles in my life. I don't think it makes any difference in longevity but it makes me "feel" like I'm doing something good for the car. I do an early change then it's every 6 months or 5,000 miles.

 

[zfasts03]

I always feel better getting the glitter out with an early 1st change around 1000 miles. Getting my choice of filter and oil in it.

 

[burbguy82]

What proof is out there for these people to say you need to do your first oil change at 1000 miles for longevity, when the does not have anything in it?

Not sure there is much proof to be had. But I cant see how it would hurt.

 

[Gene K]

I find it interesting that Honda says the first oil change in their motorcycles should be at 1000 km or 600 mi to remove any potential machining debris (100.000% clean is an ideal not an actuality) and wear-in metals yet is adamant against it in their automobiles.

 

[Glenda W.]

I find it interesting that Honda says the first oil change in their motorcycles should be at 1000 km or 600 mi to remove any potential machining debris (100.000% clean is an ideal not an actuality) and wear-in metals yet is adamant against it in their automobiles.

I agree. My guess is most motorcycle owners could care less about cost of ownership. New car buyers want the lowest cost of ownership.

 

[Shel_B]

I find it interesting that Honda says the first oil change in their motorcycles should be at 1000 km or 600 mi to remove any potential machining debris (100.000% clean is an ideal not an actuality) and wear-in metals yet is adamant against it in their automobiles.

Do they actually say the change is to remove any potential debris, or do they just suggest a 600mi OIC? Is this for all of their motorcycles or specific models? Is the instruction written in a manual or was the info passed along to you from a dealer or user?

I can see m'cycles needing a different maintenance schedule from cars.

 

[ammolab]

I find it interesting that Honda says the first oil change in their motorcycles should be at 1000 km or 600 mi to remove any potential machining debris (100.000% clean is an ideal not an actuality) and wear-in metals yet is adamant against it in their automobiles.

Well…none of their cars are made in Thailand

 

[Gene K]

Well…none of their cars are made in Thailand

Kumamoto is in Thailand?

 

[Gene K]

Do they actually say the change is to remove any potential debris, or do they just suggest a 600mi OIC? Is this for all of their motorcycles or specific models? Is the instruction written in a manual or was the info passed along to you from a dealer or user?

I can see m'cycles needing a different maintenance schedule from cars.

2024 CBR600RR Owner's Manual

They just have a maintenance table in the newer manuals. No commentary.

Initial Oil Change - 600 mi or 1 month
Regular - 8,000 mi or 1 year max

Most change after 4000 mi (Road) or 4 hr (Track Time).
Maintenance Log has entry slots for every 4,000 mi.

 

[Ride_Red]

Do they actually say the change is to remove any potential debris, or do they just suggest a 600mi OIC? Is this for all of their motorcycles or specific models? Is the instruction written in a manual or was the info passed along to you from a dealer or user?

I can see m'cycles needing a different maintenance schedule from cars.

Yep. All of my motorcycles called for an early oil change. The two Hondas currently in my garage specifically call for a 600 mile oil and filter change, then every 8000 miles / 12 months after that.

 

[The_Sheriff]

Do they actually say the change is to remove any potential debris, or do they just suggest a 600mi OIC? Is this for all of their motorcycles or specific models? Is the instruction written in a manual or was the info passed along to you from a dealer or user?

I can see m'cycles needing a different maintenance schedule from cars.

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Most motorcycles have a shared system. Crankcase and transmission use the same oil so that is why they call for an early oil change. After that it can be anywhere from 6K to 10K depending on manufacturer. Harley Davidson big twins and Moto Guzzi twins are two motorcycles that come to mind that do not use a shared system, and there are probably others too. But the vast majority of motorcycles use a shared system.
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[ammolab]

Kumamoto is in Thailand?

I don’t know that neighborhood…but plenty of “Japanese” motorcycles are made in Thailand, not just Hondas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Motorcycle_Thailand

 

[Gene K]

I don’t know that neighborhood…but plenty of “Japanese” motorcycles are made in Thailand, not just Hondas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Motorcycle_Thailand

It's on the Island of Kyushu, but it doesn't really matter as the US, Japanese and Thai built Honda Motocycles all seem to recommend it. The US, Japanese and Mexican built cars all seem to not.

It could be the shared oil supply, but I also have some power equipment that doesn't have a shared oil supply that recommends early initial oil change.

I don't think it matters that much on modern cars. The vast majority of wear-in occurs very quickly (so the assembly lube isn't needed any more if you change early) and the engines are generally very well cleaned and very well finished so the metals are minimal in comparison to the past (so an early oil change isn't critical).

 

[burbguy82]

I find it interesting that Honda says the first oil change in their motorcycles should be at 1000 km or 600 mi to remove any potential machining debris (100.000% clean is an ideal not an actuality) and wear-in metals yet is adamant against it in their automobiles.

CAFE

 

[Shel_B]

I find it interesting that Honda says the first oil change in their motorcycles should be at 1000 km or 600 mi to remove any potential machining debris (100.000% clean is an ideal not an actuality) and wear-in metals yet is adamant against it in their automobiles.

CAFE

Please explain how CAFE standards and requirements affect the difference between m'cycle and automobile oil change intervals. Frankly, I am skeptical of about your assertion, but I would like to be educated and shown that my skepticism is unfounded.

 

[burbguy82]

Please explain how CAFE standards and requirements affect the difference between m'cycle and automobile oil change intervals. Frankly, I am skeptical of about your assertion, but I would like to be educated and shown that my skepticism is unfounded.

Well, I cant really say for sure, I just have to put 2 and 2 together to make a conclusion. I am dumb, and sometimes my 2 and 2 are really 1 and 2, so while sometimes correct or close, I can be wrong.......

However CAFE standard are met not only by usage of fuel per mile, but any usage of petroleum products amongst other criteria.

As we all know, motor oil is a petroleum product, and the more one is required to change their oil, the more the impact to, and in conflict with CAFE standards, for the whole fleet.

It is my understanding that motorcycles, by in large, are not subject to CAFE, and therefore an additional oil change could be required with no adverse actions from a governmental agency. In fact, it would generate more revenue for the bike maker in the form of oil, filters, both, and or billable service hours.

Overall I think that an initial oil change at 1000 miles could be beneficial to an engines longevity, but have no data to back it up, just thought experiments. I would argue that there are very few who could have this experience, no matter what they tell you.

Further, I would submit that powersports items like motorcycles are put through the ringer, driven hard and fast under severe conditions, so oil changes should reflect.

Does that sum up my opinion?

 

[ARB1977]

I did my 24 Tundra at 1700 miles then again at 5000. This is the first vehicle I’ve done early. Keeping intervals at 5K instead of 10K.