People saying to change your oil at 1000 miles on new vehicle.

[ATex7239]

I went 10,000 miles on the new 2024 Rav 4 hybrid and the oil still looked clean. The dealership changed the oil and filter. IMO no need to change oil early with a new vehicle. With the hybrid the gas engine only runs half the time unless you are on a long trip. We did take it to Florida and back to SD one time on a vacation.

Engine run time is not the only consideration when it comes to oil life.

Thread 'Afton's Presentation of Lubrication Challenges with Hybrid Vehicles'

Sep 27, 2024

HEV Engine Lubrication Challenges

Afton presented at Lubes em Foco Meet the Market Conference 2024. Click here to view the presentation.

www.aftonchemical.com

My takeaways:
- Hybrid implementations vary by make -- some designs will cause more demanding situations for oil.
- In hybrid powertrains, the temperature profiles of operation have greater variance than traditional gasoline motors.
- Cold start-up wear is a concern; Afton cites the example of a "cold commuter" where a cold gas engine is asked to turn on at 70 mph. This sounds like an issue specific to plug-in hybrids.
- Vehicles used for in-town driving can result in a situation where...

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[SimpleSyrup]

Those of us who have pulled the filter on a brand new vehicle have found significant machining debris. Getting debris out of a new engine seems like a good idea.

Sure, the OEM doesn’t require an early change, but they are only interested in getting it through warranty.

Totally your call.

Did an oil change on a new truck at about 750 miles. I don't remember if there was anything odd in the oil, but there was some metal debris in the filter and goobers of silicone gasket maker in the filter too. Clearly the filter did it's job, but it's not what I can see that bothers me. What's left is what concerns me. The tiny bits. Likely would have been fine until 5k or even 10k as I mostly do highway driving.

Also doing the transmission drain and fill at 5k which people call insane, but the tranny is every bit as expensive as the engine and a drain and fill is only about $40 to DIY.

It's honestly a pointless debate. I will own a total of maybe 3-4 new vehicles over my life. You can't make a decision based on n=3. I just buy them, drive them for a while, and replace them at 10-15 year mark or if they get crashed and totalled. No clue if it helps prolong the engine life. Probably makes little to no difference. It's just something I like doing because I know the filter I installed was correct and not cross threaded. I know the drain pan bolt was tightened correctly. I know the oil used was the correct spec. If I get under the truck or car early, I might see something like a tiny leak I wouldn't have otherwise noticed when there's a bunch of road grime and dirt on the engine. These things I can address while still under warranty.

But that said, this is why we now buy new and not used. Far fewer problems with the cars my wife and I have purchased new vs used. Too many people doing little to no maintenance on leases or used cars.

 

[KrisZ]

There is no debate,

 

[nthach]

I’ve done a 1000 mile oil change on the new cars we bought. Not an issue. Oil’s cheap, and lot porters(I used to be one)/salespeople abuse cars.

 

[ragtoplvr]

When I have new I changed filter at 1K. After that I went out in the country and did the famous Italian tune up

 

[cheesepuffs2]

To those saying that modern machining has eliminated debris in brand-new engines:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61708841/toyota-tundra-lexus-lx-engine-replacement-recall/

Toyota and Lexus are biting the bullet and replacing roughly 100,000 engines for owners of certain Tundra pickups and LX SUVs from the 2022 and 2023 model years. The replacement engines are necessary due to a recall issued in May caused by machining debris left in the engine during the manufacturing process.

 

[oilstained]

No proof whatsoever as many can attest to. One high profile dude by the name of Lake Speed Jr. does it, under 1000 miles.

At around 200 miles, I placed 3 or 4 little neodymium magnets on the in-flow side and it captured small amounts of filings.

 

[Corollaman]

I changed at 500 miles on a new Corolla, there were some "sparkles" in the oil. I'll probably do the next one around 3,000 miles because that'll be about six months for me.