People saying to change your oil at 1000 miles on new vehicle.
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LS says do it so…..
I've never had any proof, and I've always changed oil on a brand new engine very early.
Is that the reason my J30A4 is at almost 300k and still runs like a top?
Probably not, but it certainly didn't hurt anything other than my wallet and use up some of my time.
Is that the reason my J30A4 is at almost 300k and still runs like a top?
Probably not, but it certainly didn't hurt anything other than my wallet and use up some of my time.
Ya, that’s not necessary with newer cars. Just follow the manual.
Those of us who have pulled the filter on a brand new vehicle have found significant machining debris. Getting debris out of a new engine seems like a good idea.
Sure, the OEM doesn’t require an early change, but they are only interested in getting it through warranty.
Totally your call.
Sure, the OEM doesn’t require an early change, but they are only interested in getting it through warranty.
Totally your call.
I don't have proof, i just do.
EDIT: Actually, i did have some glitter when i changed my mazda at just under 400 miles.
EDIT: Actually, i did have some glitter when i changed my mazda at just under 400 miles.
I swap filters at 200 miles and oil at 1000. If there’s some residual metal in there I want it gone.
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The manuals that now sometimes state to not change the oil for one year are only doing that for marketing purposes, to make the vehicle appear to be lower maintenance. There's still elevated wear-metals today from break-in, plus varying levels of machining debris depending on manufacturer.
As Toyota and Hyundai/Kia have all had recalls for 'machining debris' left in engines.
Modern manufacturing is good, even great, but that doesn't make up for the humans overseeing the process.
I try to change it around 3k miles in a new vehicle. Does it help; maybe? Does it make me feel like I’m doing something beneficial for the long term; yes. Do I have literature, to site, regarding the benefits, no.
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It's also just that these are mass-produced engines being made at tremendous scale. Everyday engines aren't built with the care of a purpose-built race engine, or a classic restoration. These OEMs are making parts as quickly as they can, and cleaning them as much as they need to in order for the engine to not incurr catastrophic damage, but that doesn't mean they're cleaning everything to be absolutely spotless. They're all in the business of maximizing profit, and time is money.
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Sure, but even if the filter catches some debris, changing the oil & filter early doesn't help. Once the filter captures that debris, it's captured forever, not going back into the engine. It could become an issue if the filter catches so much debris that it fills up the pleats and impairs the flow, but that ain't gonna happen unless there is something seriously wrong with the engine.
In days of yore, engines weren't machined like they are now, and relied on proper break-in procedures to seat the piston rings & cylinder bores. It was common practice to change the oil after the first 1,000 miles. Now, not so much.
PS: to answer the OP question, "none". But it's a free country, anyone can waste their time and money if they want to.
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I used to do this religiously.
Last three new cars we bought I just ran the oil out to the manufacturer's recommended interval.
Nothing bad happened, nor do I expect it.
If an early first drain really mattered, it would be recommended in the OM or MM.
Also, factory new engines are built to a standard of cleanliness not achievable in field rebuilds, so the recommendations that might apply to reman/rebuilt engines really don't have anything to do with factory new ones.
Last three new cars we bought I just ran the oil out to the manufacturer's recommended interval.
Nothing bad happened, nor do I expect it.
If an early first drain really mattered, it would be recommended in the OM or MM.
Also, factory new engines are built to a standard of cleanliness not achievable in field rebuilds, so the recommendations that might apply to reman/rebuilt engines really don't have anything to do with factory new ones.
My dad just purchased a new 2024 Bronco earlier this year and had it changed somewhere around 3-4k miles, he called the dealer which said he could go the full duration but did agree that it wouldn't hurt to change it sooner.
I agree you should probably change it around there but most certainly by 5k. I bought my 2013 Ninja 650 new and changed it around 50-100 miles and the next was the 600 mile service.
I agree you should probably change it around there but most certainly by 5k. I bought my 2013 Ninja 650 new and changed it around 50-100 miles and the next was the 600 mile service.
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Explain.
What have you learned from all your used oil analyses?
No need to explain the obvious.
In the absence of break in oil, the extra abrasion may help bed in the piston rings.
That's why Honda says not to change early.
I wouldn't be surprised if people who changed early got oil consumption.
That's why Honda says not to change early.
I wouldn't be surprised if people who changed early got oil consumption.
It has been stated before but manufacturers are only interested in getting the vehicle out of warranty and maybe a little beyond (provided most of them sell extended warranties). Most of them engineer for a 100-150k mile lifespan.
Pretty much any of them will make that distance on factory recommendations, those of us that want vehicles to last longer than that know better and take steps to stretch that number out.
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