Originally Posted by buster
Originally Posted by talest
Originally Posted by buster
Absolutely. Of course they know how to make them, but they don't market a long drain oil for the North American market and that is a fact.
Talking about distrubtion channels is not relative to the fact that Shell and Valvoline don't market a 15k-20k mile oil for the NA PCMO market.
Originally Posted by buster
As someone pointed out to me, being both PZ/Valvoline are in the quick lube business, there is no incentive for them to make their oils long drain capable. For moderate drains, both products will perform as good as any other overall. However, if you look at some of the data out there and read between the lines, they can't hang with M1/Amsoil over longer drains because their resistance to oxidation is not as great. As long as Pennzoil is in Jiffy Lube and Valvoline has their IOC, I don't see them pushing a long drain oil.
Let me please clarify something. You are not suggesting that the Pennzoil (SOPUS) and Valvoline (Ashland) distribution channels or refineries are not producing a long-life oil, you are defining as 15k-20k which would be in the range of what M1 AP is marketed as.. Only, that, they are not making a product as and marketing it as Pennzoil Ultra Long Life or something like that, yes?
*simplified: That Pennzoil or Valvoline only are not marketing for sale a super long extended drain product comparable to Mobil 1 Annual Protection, but that they are otherwise capable of doing so ?
Correct. This isn't a slam on PZ/Valvoline. Both are excellent.
Alright, cool. I thought I read the whole thing correctly. Thanks for the clarification.. Hopefully, it keeps the thing on-topic? lol