Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra- not so great

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Originally Posted By: Boss302fan
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Boss302fan
PP is a very good syn oil and the bottomline is it has great results....


Define great results please.

It holds up well and generally seems to be a good oil, but I'm curious as to what "great results" means in relation to what are achieved using other top-tier synthetics like Mobil 1 or Edge.


Use Mobil 1, PP, PU, and many other syns and have great results... All are good syn oils. If you want any other info then do your own research.

Great results? Keeping an engine clean and running for many years... I believe all the syns above would do this.Having owned 32 cars plus an additional classic car collection has earned me the right to say what oil works great and in what type of car.


I didn't ask for additional information, rather a clarification of what you meant by "great results". Your version of great results is perfectly in-line with my own: long-lasting, healthy engines that show no real signs of wear upon tear down and that are clean inside.

I had thought you may have been alluding to UOA's, which is why I asked. Basing that kind of statement on THOSE results is a far less concrete exercise.
 
Originally Posted By: dakota99

PP is dexos1 approved, and if it's good enough for a vette, it's good enough for my daily driver.


That is actually some pretty sound reasoning.

There are numerous manufacturer-specific approvals that are very hard to qualify for. One should be able to state with a relatively good deal of certainty that using an oil with the longest list of manufacturer approvals, particularly those which are hard to obtain, should give you the "best" results in terms of wear protection, cleanliness and lube life.

One certainly wouldn't be giving anything up other than perhaps some fuel economy buy using an oil with a list of certs a mile long.
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah

"would" or DOES?

"Would" because it hasn't been officially tested for it. Obtaining a certification costs money.


Understood. But there is a difference. And if someone NEEDS the spec for their vehicle still under warranty I'd (JMO) use something that DOES meet the spec with the approved rating.

JMO.. Bill

Absolutely. I'm on your side there, Bill.
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FWIW, Pennzoil Ultra data sheet was just updated. As of Dec 2011, the 5w30 meets ACEA A5/B5-10. Still no updated data sheet for Platinum, however, the 5qt jug I just purchased yesterday with date code of Nov 22, 2011 claims to meet "A1/B1."
 
Originally Posted By: NP_350
FWIW, Pennzoil Ultra data sheet was just updated. As of Dec 2011, the 5w30 meets ACEA A5/B5-10.

Do you have a link? The one I'm pulling up from Pennzoil's site as well as from Google still shows March 2010.
 
Now if only Pennzoil would update the data sheets for the conventional and Platinum, and put the correct, current data sheet up for the high mileage oil...
 
Originally Posted By: NP_350
Now if only Pennzoil would update the data sheets for the conventional and Platinum, and put the correct, current data sheet up for the high mileage oil...


I've complained multiple time via email to them about their [censored] website. Today they responded pointing to this link and I responded back saying that site it outdate as well. No response to that yet.
 
Originally Posted By: NP_350
FWIW, Pennzoil Ultra data sheet was just updated. As of Dec 2011, the 5w30 meets ACEA A5/B5-10. Still no updated data sheet for Platinum, however, the 5qt jug I just purchased yesterday with date code of Nov 22, 2011 claims to meet "A1/B1."

Coincidence? Probably not. It has probably met the spec all along and they finally updated the data sheet to satisfy the "internet tribologists" that judge an oil's performance based on what's listed or not listed in the data sheet or a $30 uoa/voa.
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Nice find!

-Dennis
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: MajorCavalry
I emailed technical support for Redline Oil on their 5W-20 oil.

Here is their reply.

David Granquist [email protected]
3:13 PM (15 minutes ago)

to me
Steven,

Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, yes the 5W20 would satisfy the ACEA A5/B5-08 as well as the API SN performance requirements.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil


"would" or DOES?

Big difference. Without the words DOES you could put in the word "may".

Redline is a excellent product but without the APPROVED rating its their word (which depending on who is saying what changes if something is true or marketing) you are trusting.

I'm not a spec person or overkill type. I use what works and don't get into having to use this brand or that type.

My first priority is what WILL work. Then what is going to do the best for the $$.. IE VALUE.

So much bandwidth is wasted on spec this when your vehicle could care less.

Bill

PS: I do not doubt many oils can meet something, but until they do and I did have something that HAD to have a rating I'll go with whatever HAS the rating.


I totally agree. But in my situation, my 2012 Acura 3.7L DOES NOT require these certifications. The fact that their 5W-20 would meet ACEA A5/B5 means that the oil is theoretically (important point) superior to one that does not. I honestly don't think it makes a difference in the lifespan of the engine versus a PP, PU or M1 oil.
 
Originally Posted By: volk06
look at those NOACK Values!! 5w-30 at 6.4! Better than redline even... I hope those numbers are right!

Wow, if the Ultra data are correct they are now using some really different, low volatility base oils. Volatility seems so low to be hard to believe. The HTHS viscosity is high relative to the kinematic viscosity at 100C for 10W-30. Ratio of KV@100C to HTHS is low at 3.18, which means the oil should undergo little temporary shear and probably permanent shear. Compare this to M1 10W-30's ratio of 3.37. Another interesting thing is the low -51C pour point for all Ultra grades. M1 10W-30's pour point is -42C. CCS and MRV are what matter but Mobil did not provide those data for M1 10W-30.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
What I can't figure out is PU NOACK at 6.4% and PP at 12.5%. That's a serious difference.

They must be using different base stocks.

PU Euro 5w-30 also has NOACK of 11, so nowhere near the regular PU 5w-30, unless SOPUS just hasn't gotten around to updating that PDS yet.
 
Could the GTL stuff be on the shelves already, or is this just for current production which has yet to make its way into the supply chain?
Or, is this just another error in what has not been a great website?
This seems like really low NOACK volatility, so I do wonder.
 
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