You have to admire the Tesla people downplaying these videos. The scientific method is only brought up when Tesla looks bad. If Tesla had gone further than the Porsche it would be hailed as the greatest triumph ever seen by mankind.
Sure. The Scientific Method applies to every test or is is not apples to apples, right. Maybe @JHZR2 is a Tesla person? The Taycan is an incredible car and is the #1 selling Porsche. I would consider one, but I would cry if it were scratched and I just don't have room for it.You have to admire the Tesla people downplaying these videos. The scientific method is only brought up when Tesla looks bad. If Tesla had gone further than the Porsche it would be hailed as the greatest triumph ever seen by mankind.
The methods applied in these videos don't adhere to the scientific method, yet they are both informative and entertaining. Published specifications only go so far. These videos provide real world experience under known conditions. I look forward to seeing more, no matter how flawed the methods may be.You have to admire the Tesla people downplaying these videos. The scientific method is only brought up when Tesla looks bad. If Tesla had gone further than the Porsche it would be hailed as the greatest triumph ever seen by mankind.
That’s why such “tests” are virtually irrelevant. In many ways the mikes per hour metric is better.
Imagine if you did like I did, found a 250kW charger, and only got 83kW from it?!?
What difference does that make? Does the 250kW supercharger seriously only work at that rate at less than 40%?!?We discussed this prior and I think you hit at already at 40% or something like that?
Yet the “real world” is running on an assumption of sustained full rate charging, and is extremely contingent on hvac, driving style, etc.Scientific method doesn't really apply to charging an EV, this is real world experience which is much more relatable than a car running on a treadmill or plugging into a charging station under optimal conditions. I appreciate the real world experiences vs EPA and car manufacturer best case scenario experiences.
What difference does that make? Does the 250kW supercharger seriously only work at that rate at less than 40%?!?
We done know what the controls are for allowing full rate supercharging. Yet another knob that could be turned for getting range, or not. Which is why this sort of a test is silly.
Charge it to full and you might be able to make it round trip from home, if you go slow.We have a home in Petaluma, CA. This is part of the Wine Country north of SF. The house is 90 miles from our Los Gatos home.
My goal was not to optimize the trip; it was more of just a get in and go with whatever charge I had. Real world. I don't always start our ICE vehicles full. If I charged to 100% the night before, I probably would not have needed to charge today. We drive around town once we get there as well. Again, this is a no-hurry Saturday... But no one drives 70 mph on interstate 280; ain't gonna happen. The experiment was, "What's it really like?"Charge it to full and you might be able to make it round trip from home, if you go slow.
That could be faster than the total time driving to, and charging at a charger. But even so, 15 mins is enough for a trip like that.
We learned this on our Miami trips, 200 miles round trip in a 90KWh model S. Going slow made the trip just barely possible.
What we also learned is that my shortest trip is 280 miles one way. And the Model 3 needs to stop at the 160 mile mark as that's where the charger is. And needs to charge at the destination and on the way back.
Basically it seems with 15 mins of a better charge you can manage another 1-1.5 of driving at that speed(80mph)
I could care less about variables people dwell on here.
My results were different. See the graphs above.The variables determine if the above statement is true.
You can get 1-1.5 hours of driving at 80 MPH out of a 15 minute charge IF your battery is at or below about 10% when you start.
Toyota bZ4x: 42.2 miles
Compared to 98 miles for the cheaper Tesla Model Y
Toyota bZ4x: 42.2 miles
Compared to 98 miles for the cheaper Tesla Model Y