OLD TRUCKS VS NEW TRUCKS

I don't know how people can afford them. In 1997 I bought a pretty nice two bedroom house on a double lot in central NY for $50K. The full size trucks and cargo vans I'm looking at are about double that. Seems like a lot for something that's going to eventually rust down in the bone yard. Inflation I guess. Call me jealous.
 
I just hate the height of the new trucks. Why can't they be shorter to the ground so my 5'7 wife and I can get in without a step bar. I am 6'1 and I still need the step bar to get in. I have a replacement left hip and if it wasn't for the grab handle I probably wouldn't make it inside. Old trucks were easier to get into. I had to get a step for the trailer hitch just to access the bed on my 07 Ram. Can't reach over the side and pick stuff out either. I still have my old 90 Ranger XLT just because it is easier to get in and out of when you have errands and grocery shopping. Guess when you get to my age its just normal to grouch about some things. I am 77 now.
I hear you. My Tundra bed side was ridiculously high. 4x4 so kinda necessary for ground clearance, but still… too hard to actually use the bed. Installed running boards for ingress.

Someone at work got a Maverick and parked next to me. I gave it a quick look over. Stuck my arm over the bed—not bad.
 
Tell me how your 2024 holds up in 39 years. Btw those 6.6 gassers have been failing with under 10,000 miles, how are those transmissions holding up? not well.
A lot, maybe most, of us here won't be alive in 39 years, and a truck will be the last thing on my mind at the end of my life. The electronics and modules will be the death of modern trucks, and at some point, there just won't be parts available and few skilled people will be working on 40 year old cars. How many Quadra-jet carburetors did GM use, and how many Quadra-jet rebuilders are left? Things change. What percent of 39 year old 1985 car/trucks do you think are still on the road?
 
I just hate the height of the new trucks
X2! I’m 6’4’ with long arms like a gorilla and I have to use a short 2 step ladder to put oil into the oil fill tube on my 2019 2 WD 4.3. My wife has driven it to the grocery store once and now refuses to drive it again! She says it’s too high and wide and intimidating for her especially in parking lots and narrow city streets. She loved driving the old Avalanche in comparison!
 
I don't know how people can afford them. In 1997 I bought a pretty nice two bedroom house on a double lot in central NY for $50K. The full size trucks and cargo vans I'm looking at are about double that. Seems like a lot for something that's going to eventually rust down in the bone yard. Inflation I guess. Call me jealous.
Inflation actually does seem to be the whole of it. The guy in this video compares two trucks, a 1997 and a 2023 optioned as close to the same as possible and the price difference is almost exactly inflation difference. If you consider the capability and performance difference between the two trucks, it would actually see that today’s trucks are relatively cheaper than 35 years ago.

 
I don't know how people can afford them. In 1997 I bought a pretty nice two bedroom house on a double lot in central NY for $50K. The full size trucks and cargo vans I'm looking at are about double that. Seems like a lot for something that's going to eventually rust down in the bone yard. Inflation I guess. Call me jealous.
Pre "C" it was very easy to trade up once you owned one-resale values were good-there were discounts on new ones.
 
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Big Poo, an 89 GMC 1 ton 454, non-lock up Turbo 400 with 4.10s. If you wanted to do anything at normal
flow of traffic with a trailer on the back of this thing forget about it. Going over I-90 on Lookout pass loaded for camping was a
sweet 45mph at 4000 RPMs of screaming big block with cherry red exhaust manifolds at maybe 4 MPG. 55 mph towing. 60 was a lot of RPM and it was loud. 3200 RPM at 60 in the flats. Going into Ennis Montana up a long grade truck was down to 26 MPH for a few miles. I did the same trip with my 8000lbs travel trailer and the 2017 1 ton. I went the speed limit or better the whole trip without any issue. 9 mpg VS 5 mpg in the big block truck. Big Poo had three transmissions and two 454s by 160,000 miles. I picked up it from the original owner a retired Army colonel at 80,000 miles. Every service record New Engine at 54,000 and Transmission at 72,000. That trans failed at 110,000 (GM rebuild)I had it replaced. Intake gaskets, water pumps, one TBI, and a thousand other things I am forgetting. Rode like a brick, rear drum brakes, non-sealed wheel bearings. The only thing this truck had going for it was it was 2wd and not tall. This is about the same length and width as my current truck. When the A/C compressor pooped out at 180,000 for the third time I gave the truck to a buddy and bought my 02. The trailer pictured was 5800lbs loaded. I couldn't imagine lugging the 9000lbs float around with this thing. They had their place and were good for what they were, The only thing that it had going for it is height and you remember the good old days. What did Billy Joel say? "The good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems" Look old stuff is cool but they just can't do what a new truck does reliably. That is why you don't see companies and fleets driving 25 or 30 year old trucks.
 
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Big Poo, an 89 GMC 1 ton 454, non-lock up Turbo 400 with 4.10s. If you wanted to do anything at normal
flow of traffic with a trailer on the back of this thing forget about it. Going over I-90 on Lookout pass loaded for camping was a
sweet 45mph at 4000 RPMs of screaming big block with cherry red exhaust manifolds at maybe 4 MPG. 55 mph towing. 60 was a lot of RPM and it was loud. 3200 RPM at 60 in the flats. Going into Ennis Montana up a long grade truck was down to 26 MPH for a few miles. I did the same trip with my 8000lbs travel trailer and the 2017 1 ton. I went the speed limit or better the whole trip without any issue. 9 mpg VS 5 mpg in the big block truck. Big Poo had three transmissions and two 454s by 160,000 miles. I picked up it from the original owner a retired Army colonel at 80,000 miles. Every service record New Engine at 54,000 and Transmission at 72,000. That trans failed at 110,000 (GM rebuild)I had it replaced. Intake gaskets, water pumps, one TBI, and a thousand other things I am forgetting. Rode like a brick, rear drum brakes, non-sealed wheel bearings. The only thing this truck had going for it was it was 2wd and not tall. This is about the same length and width as my current truck. When the A/C compressor pooped out at 180,000 for the third time I gave the truck to a buddy and bought my 02. The trailer pictured was 5800lbs loaded. I couldn't imagine lugging the 9000lbs float around with this thing. They had their place and were good for what they were, The only thing that it had going for it is height and you remember the good old days. What did Billy Joel say? "The good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems" Look old stuff is cool but they just can't do what a new truck does reliably. That is why you don't see companies and fleets driving 25 or 30 year old trucks.

Yep my newer version of the old '95 Dually I had, is rated to tow over 35k lbs. Current ones are rated even higher. The old truck had the highest tow rating available at the time in a 1-ton Dually, which was 12,800 lbs. The newer truck is FAR more capable, comfortable, quieter, safer, and reliable. It also weighs significantly more, yet still gets similar MPG to that of the old '95 Dually.
 
Inflation actually does seem to be the whole of it. The guy in this video compares two trucks, a 1997 and a 2023 optioned as close to the same as possible and the price difference is almost exactly inflation difference. If you consider the capability and performance difference between the two trucks, it would actually see that today’s trucks are relatively cheaper than 35 years ago.
Yes! People look back to 1990-whatever and $35,000 SOUNDS cheap today, but they quickly forget what $35,000 was worth in the 90's.

I work with really smart technical people who can't really "get" this. They for example whine about 6.5% mortgages but can't "get" that everybody had 10.5%-11% mortgages back in the late 80's. They whine their house costs $350K but I "only" paid $90K in the 80's. The truck debate is the same.
 
Yes! People look back to 1990-whatever and $35,000 SOUNDS cheap today, but they quickly forget what $35,000 was worth in the 90's.

I work with really smart technical people who can't really "get" this. They for example whine about 6.5% mortgages but can't "get" that everybody had 10.5%-11% mortgages back in the late 80's. They whine their house costs $350K but I "only" paid $90K in the 80's. The truck debate is the same.
But when you tell the people who bought houses in the 1980's that their average home to median income ratio was 3, and now its 6 - and they say "but, but but we paid 15% APR." So its the same slight the other way. We see it on this board constantly.

Everyone is stuck in their own frame of reference bias.

I would still like a smaller "full size" truck like we had in the 80's. With a modern engine. That would be nice.
 
But when you tell the people who bought houses in the 1980's that their average home to median income ratio was 3, and now its 6 - and they say "but, but but we paid 15% APR." So its the same slight the other way. We see it on this board constantly.

Everyone is stuck in their own frame of reference bias.

I would still like a smaller "full size" truck like we had in the 80's. With a modern engine. That would be nice.
I agree the house thing is totally different, but I won't discuss it in this thread.

When you say smaller do you mean height? Because my 2024 is a crew cab short bed (6 feet 5 inches) it is 250 inches long, the 1989 GMC 1 ton extended cab long bed was 240. Ten inches isn't the issue in length. It is the height, which I don't like either. The 1989 is 11 inches shorter than the 2024. The width for the 89 is 76.9 inches, the 2024 is 81.8. I do like the extra width. Wheelbase is 155 inches for the 89 and 159 for the 2024. 11 inches taller makes a huge difference.
 
I agree the house thing is totally different, but I won't discuss it in this thread.

When you say smaller do you mean height? Because my 2024 is a crew cab short bed (6 feet 5 inches) it is 250 inches long, the 1989 GMC 1 ton extended cab long bed was 240. Ten inches isn't the issue in length. It is the height, which I don't like either. The 1989 is 11 inches shorter than the 2024. The width for the 89 is 76.9 inches, the 2024 is 81.8. I do like the extra width. Wheelbase is 155 inches for the 89 and 159 for the 2024. 11 inches taller makes a huge difference.
Length is my biggest issue.

My last F150 - a 1988 regular cab 8 foot bed, was 18 inches shorter than a current 2024 F150 is 19 feet long. A typical city parking space is 18 to 20 feet. A regular "20 foot" residential garage is typically 19 and change - and always has been. So they just don't fit.

To add insult to injury, the wheelbase has remained shorter so as not to make the turning circle an acre. This has made the approach and departure angles worse than the old trucks as well.

Height usually is not an issue. It may not fit in a city garage, but again you can work around that one.

I could go with a 6.5 foot bed, but then I might as well stick with a mid-size. There is always a rumor that one brand or another will make a mid-size single cab / 7 foot bed variant - they had one in the old model rangers for a while. Conspiracy theory is it cut too far into F150 sales. Presumably someone would make one if they thought there was demand.

I grew up bouncing around on a farm in an old truck. Wife did also. I am as far from anti truck as you can get. I use my truck to haul stuff constantly. I can't imagine not owning a truck. But I don't tow anything and its not a work truck - just a guy doing work. IMHO the current fleet no longer meets the everyman for every task flexibility they once did.

But you know what they say about opinions. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Big Poo, an 89 GMC 1 ton 454, non-lock up Turbo 400 with 4.10s. If you wanted to do anything at normal
flow of traffic with a trailer on the back of this thing forget about it. Going over I-90 on Lookout pass loaded for camping was a
sweet 45mph at 4000 RPMs of screaming big block with cherry red exhaust manifolds at maybe 4 MPG. 55 mph towing. 60 was a lot of RPM and it was loud. 3200 RPM at 60 in the flats. Going into Ennis Montana up a long grade truck was down to 26 MPH for a few miles. I did the same trip with my 8000lbs travel trailer and the 2017 1 ton. I went the speed limit or better the whole trip without any issue. 9 mpg VS 5 mpg in the big block truck. Big Poo had three transmissions and two 454s by 160,000 miles. I picked up it from the original owner a retired Army colonel at 80,000 miles. Every service record New Engine at 54,000 and Transmission at 72,000. That trans failed at 110,000 (GM rebuild)I had it replaced. Intake gaskets, water pumps, one TBI, and a thousand other things I am forgetting. Rode like a brick, rear drum brakes, non-sealed wheel bearings. The only thing this truck had going for it was it was 2wd and not tall. This is about the same length and width as my current truck. When the A/C compressor pooped out at 180,000 for the third time I gave the truck to a buddy and bought my 02. The trailer pictured was 5800lbs loaded. I couldn't imagine lugging the 9000lbs float around with this thing. They had their place and were good for what they were, The only thing that it had going for it is height and you remember the good old days. What did Billy Joel say? "The good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems" Look old stuff is cool but they just can't do what a new truck does reliably. That is why you don't see companies and fleets driving 25 or 30 year old trucks.
One thing to consider is time. That 1989, is or could easily be doing the job, after 36 years of being on the road.

I agree that the newer trucks, (as you know I had one for personal use), do the job better. They have more power, better cooling systems, bigger brakes, and so on. I am impressed with the newer style intake "internal snorkel" setup.

But the truth is, that people were doing the exact same thing in their pickups 30 years ago....hauling big trailers, hauling construction equipment. Some of those gmt400 truck still do it today. I see it regularly in Charlotte. Many Gmt800s, and many newer 6.6 gmt whatever they are now.

The older trucks were victim to emission regulations and were very underpowered because of this. The legendary GM 454, was severely affected by these new restrictions on emissions, and of course, manufactured did not know how to keep the power up, and the emissions down. I think they have it dialed in now.

I agree the 2006.5 is probably the Pinnacle of the trucks, coupling near perfect drivetrains, great material selection, and proud manufacturing.

Who is to say whether these new 6.6 truck will be on the road in 30 years, and i am sorry to say, of thing continue how they are going, we will likely not be able to see.

One thing that I think is the achilles heel of these new trucks is the electrical/electronic systems. Wire sizes are to an absolute minimum, for cost and efficiency. Sure the sensor goes out here and there, or a connector breaks, but the whole harness? One of my friend has a land scaping business. not to long ago, he got stuck in some mud on a site, the rear axle was sunk. Some back and forth, someone finally helped him out. On the rear axle is a wiring harness, part of the system that tells your brake pad wear percentage. In pulling through the mud that harness got torn out. Not sure of the extent on how much had to be replaced per dealer, but it was to the tune of 2700$ to fix. All for a system that really adds no real value to a truck.

Real truck people dont need a sensor for brake pad wear.

Point is, there is a bunch of stuff we dont need on these new things.

Would you agree?
 
Inflation actually does seem to be the whole of it. The guy in this video compares two trucks, a 1997 and a 2023 optioned as close to the same as possible and the price difference is almost exactly inflation difference. If you consider the capability and performance difference between the two trucks, it would actually see that today’s trucks are relatively cheaper than 35 years ago.


I don't think this is fair / accurate representation.

My last "full size" was a 1988 F150. I didn't buy it new but Google tells me MSRP for a 2Dr standard cab XLT was $12,192. No one ever paid MSRP, but if you did that would be $23,730 today according to the CPI calculator.

Now clearly that was a very basic truck, but it did have EFI and a automatic. The absolute cheapest F150 today which is $38,960, and that is a 6.5 foot bed.
 
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