NTSB proposes no cell phones including hands free

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Accidents JUST HAPPEN.

The ONLY way to save people's lives from being lost in auto accidents is to BAN all AUTOMOBILES.


That's an incredibly myopic and incorrect statement.

Every crash has a root cause, and nearly* every crash could have been avoided if the people involved would have been paying attention to the road and surroundings, and operating their vehicle in a consistently safe manner.

The real method of saving lives is to make obtaining a license difficult, and preventing those who should not be driving or have demonstrated an inability to focus on driving from being behind the wheel.

For my part I really don't care if you endanger yourself because you "think" you can text or talk and drive. But each of us have a responsibility to others while driving, and that includes driving in the safest possible manner and taking all possible precautions to make sure that I don't do something that will endanger someone else. I expect the same from other motorists, and your right to blab or text on the phone ends where my loved ones safety begins. There is a reason why some of us can go 30, 40 or more years without a ticket or accident. And there is a reason why some of you have multiple tickets, high insurance rates and several accidents on your record.


*Getting hit by a meteor from space or pulled into an unforeseeable natural disaster are a couple exceptions.

 

[ddrumman2004]

I do know that there have been times my mind has been on "something" else while driving and then I can't recall what I saw on the road during that time. So it's easy to get distracted from driving.
I will not talk on a cell phone while driving. Even hate using the Sync feature in my truck when it comes to talking on the phone.

I hate to text on a phone and if I receive one, I usually call the person texting me.

But we don't need more laws to take the place of common sense.

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I don't know how you people can drive with a cell phone. When I'm out there driving, my full attention is on driving. My eyes are constantly scanning the rear view mirror, both side view mirrors, and out the front window. It's a major distraction whenever the car radio goes to a commercial. Most of the time I drive with the radio off. There's so much stuff going on out there, it consumes my full attention. I don't want nobody running into my beautiful Buick. If you're in the other car talking on a cell phone, I'll either try to get away from you, or I'll watch you more closely in anticipation that you're gonna screw up.


The very same way I can pilot an aircraft, talk on the radio, manage the engine/s, manipulate the ailerons, elevator, rudder, flight spoilers, landing gear, autopilot, navigate both horizontally and vertically, avoid other aircraft and so on. You get proper training, know when to do what, and take pride in managing it all properly.

 

[MNgopher]

I'll agree the with proper training and resource management this is non-issue (such as the pilot example above).

The issue is do you honestly think that the common driving population is the same? I know what my answer is (unfortunately).

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: MNgopher
I'll agree the with proper training and resource management this is non-issue (such as the pilot example above).

The issue is do you honestly think that the common driving population is the same? I know what my answer is (unfortunately).


Ah, well... kind of obvious huh?

However, it's not my fault the typical American drivers are poorly educated, trained and managed.

I've been to the 5 day "skippy school" (Skip Barber) . I've done the basic Bobby School too (Bob Bondurant) , plus a number of club drivers schools, and a professionally run private school. Plus a number or remedial "bad driver" schools

(always for 9MPH over the limit on the interstate)

Even with all that, I've never received practical (while driving) instruction that would truly help with cell phone management.

 

[carwreck]

Here is the latest example of someone who thinks looking at the road while driving doesn't apply to him.

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Miami-Police-Officer-Gets-Car-Stuck-Up-Utility-Pole-135516898.html

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: carwreck
Here is the latest example of someone who thinks looking at the road while driving doesn't apply to him.

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Miami-Police-Officer-Gets-Car-Stuck-Up-Utility-Pole-135516898.html


Wow

You have a perfect screen name for this thread.

 

[xBa380]

I am all for banning texting and hand-on cell phone usage. Blue tooth is a bit more "grey area" for me. I would leave that alone, to start.

The amount of people tied up to their phone while driving is insane. It needs to be fixed. I bet for any of you who think its fine to drive and text or talk would feel MUCH different if you lost family or a close friend due to some moron who could not do it. Just because YOU think you can do it safely does not mean anybody else can.

 

[javacontour]

Why is the NTSB even looking at this? This is a states issue, not a federal issue. This has nothing to do with interstate commerce. So the much abused commerce clause doesn't apply here.

What does the NTSB have to do with motor laws in any given state? Zilch!

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: javacontour
Why is the NTSB even looking at this? This is a states issue, not a federal issue. This has nothing to do with interstate commerce. So the much abused commerce clause doesn't apply here.

What does the NTSB have to do with motor laws in any given state? Zilch!


Exactly. And, that's why there is no "national speed limit" anymore.

 

[Samilcar]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Accidents JUST HAPPEN.

The ONLY way to save people's lives from being lost in auto accidents is to BAN all AUTOMOBILES.


That's an incredibly myopic and incorrect statement.


It might be myopic, but it's definitely not incorrect. The only way to completely eliminate lives being lost to auto accidents is to ban automobiles.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: Cujet


The very same way I can pilot an aircraft, talk on the radio, manage the engine/s, manipulate the ailerons, elevator, rudder, flight spoilers, landing gear, autopilot, navigate both horizontally and vertically, avoid other aircraft and so on. You get proper training, know when to do what, and take pride in managing it all properly.


Sure, but pilots are taught, at least I was, that first and foremost you fly the darn plane, everything else is secondary. Communication was last on the list of priorities.

Often, the twits using cell phones in their cars are putting communication ahead of driving the car.

I have no solution. Training people to drive the way people are trained and stay current to fly would be great but the public would never stand for that inconvenience and cost, although the roads would be far safer. And cell phones in cars aren't going away - the massive investment in the networks guarantees that, nor would I want them to.

Texting while driving is illegal in my state. I'm Ok with that. For myself, I can handle "pick up milk" type calls no proiblem, but I pull off the road if I have to deal with a complex subject on a cell call.

 

[rg200amp]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Accidents JUST HAPPEN.

The ONLY way to save people's lives from being lost in auto accidents is to BAN all AUTOMOBILES.


That's an incredibly myopic and incorrect statement.

Every crash has a root cause, and nearly* every crash could have been avoided if the people involved would have been paying attention to the road and surroundings, and operating their vehicle in a consistently safe manner.

The real method of saving lives is to make obtaining a license difficult, and preventing those who should not be driving or have demonstrated an inability to focus on driving from being behind the wheel.

For my part I really don't care if you endanger yourself because you "think" you can text or talk and drive. But each of us have a responsibility to others while driving, and that includes driving in the safest possible manner and taking all possible precautions to make sure that I don't do something that will endanger someone else. I expect the same from other motorists, and your right to blab or text on the phone ends where my loved ones safety begins. There is a reason why some of us can go 30, 40 or more years without a ticket or accident. And there is a reason why some of you have multiple tickets, high insurance rates and several accidents on your record.


*Getting hit by a meteor from space or pulled into an unforeseeable natural disaster are a couple exceptions.


Yes. People are not perfect. NO matter how strict you make it. People are going to do something that is incorrect and cause accidents.

As I said. It is VERY simple. The only way to stop people from dying in auto accidents is to BAN ALL AUTOMOBILES.

Focusing on "texting while driving" or "eating while driving" or "putting on make up while driving" or "changing the radio settings while driving" is pointless and a mute cause. Because banning texting, cell phones use, eating, ect. . . while driving is NOT going to stop 1000's of people being killed from auto accidents.

So. Either get rid of your car and write your elected official to ban all automobiles, or stop jumping on the ban wagon every time a new traffic safety law comes up.

Reasonable laws are fine. But sending a text is no different than switching your radio from FM to CD and selecting track 08.

Do you support banning using the car radio at all unless the car is parked?

Or do you like using your radio while you drive???

 

[greenjp]

Originally Posted By: Samilcar
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Accidents JUST HAPPEN.

The ONLY way to save people's lives from being lost in auto accidents is to BAN all AUTOMOBILES.


That's an incredibly myopic and incorrect statement.


It might be myopic, but it's definitely not incorrect. The only way to completely eliminate lives being lost to auto accidents is to ban automobiles.

Sure the second phrase (ban autos to end auto accident fatalities) is "correct" but it's also so stupid as to be not worth saying. I mean it's great if you're into debating via fallacy but otherwise it's really just dumb.

The first sentence ("accidents just happen") as some sort of justification for not taking risk mitigation steps is both myopic and stupid. As someone else already said an accident is almost always caused by a sequence of events, each of which can usually be avoided. Risk ladder, the swiss cheese analogy, etc. Saying something like "accidents just happen" is a great way to identify yourself as someone who has no business discussing a subject like this.

jeff

 

[greenjp]

Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Reasonable laws are fine. But sending a text is no different than switching your radio from FM to CD and selecting track 08.

Simple question - would you reconsider your stance if you learned that this belief is actually incorrect and that texting presents a much higher increase in the risk of having an accident?

 

[rg200amp]

Originally Posted By: greenjp
Sure the second phrase (ban autos to end auto accident fatalities) is "correct" but it's also so stupid as to be not worth saying. I mean it's great if you're into debating via fallacy but otherwise it's really just dumb.

The first sentence ("accidents just happen") as some sort of justification for not taking risk mitigation steps is both myopic and stupid. As someone else already said an accident is almost always caused by a sequence of events, each of which can usually be avoided. Risk ladder, the swiss cheese analogy, etc. Saying something like "accidents just happen" is a great way to identify yourself as someone who has no business discussing a subject like this.

jeff

The funny thing is, you think it will reduce the number of deaths.

Take DUI laws. If it was not against the law, whould you drive drunk? No?

Well, like any law, the people that would not do it, don't need a law to tell them not to do it.

Anyone that WANTS to do it, will do it and not follow the law. Take driving drunk. Have you seen your local bar's parking lot???????

So, it must be nice to be narrow minded and look at the "stats" and think "if only this was banned, these stats would change".

I guess ignorance is bliss. . . . . .

 

[greenjp]

Originally Posted By: rg200amp
The funny thing is, you think it will reduce the number of deaths.

Take DUI laws. If it was not against the law, whould you drive drunk? No?

Well, like any law, the people that would not do it, don't need a law to tell them not to do it.

Anyone that WANTS to do it, will do it and not follow the law. Take driving drunk. Have you seen your local bar's parking lot???????

So, it must be nice to be narrow minded and look at the "stats" and think "if only this was banned, these stats would change".

I guess ignorance is bliss. . . . . .

Wow, you are the master of the strawman. It's pretty clear who's on the side of reason and open mindedness here.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: rg200amp



The funny thing is, you think it will reduce the number of deaths.


yes, if actually enforced with real punishments, it will.

Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Take DUI laws. If it was not against the law, whould you drive drunk? No?

Well, like any law, the people that would not do it, don't need a law to tell them not to do it.


Anyone that WANTS to do it, will do it and not follow the law. Take driving drunk. Have you seen your local bar's parking lot???????


So, we should just eliminate all laws? Your comments are beyond ridiculous, and of course completely wrong. Increased legal restrictions and harsher punishments of impaired driving have dramatically reduced drunk driving accidents since the early 1980's. This is an undeniable fact. It didn't happen because people suddenly decided to stop drinking and driving, it happened because laws with teeth were enacted.


Originally Posted By: rg200amp
So, it must be nice to be narrow minded and look at the "stats" and think "if only this was banned, these stats would change".

I don't think people are looking at the problem "narrowly" at all. Texting and talking on the phone increases risk, significantly. Laws with teeth, including losing your license and jail time if you cause an accident while engaging in one of these activities is an effective deterrent.

Originally Posted By: rg200amp
I guess ignorance is bliss. . . . . .


Irony never goes out of style, does it?

What I really don't get is the whole "accidents happen" nonsense. If you cause a crash or run someone over while texting or dialing someone on your phone, that's not an accident--it's willful, criminal negligence. It should be treated as such. I get a much better view of drivers than most, since most of my time in traffic is spent on a bicycle, and I have to say that texting drivers are worse than drunk drivers. People caught texting and driving should have their license suspended--they're just as impaired as if they were loaded.

 

[91344George]

YES..I HOPE THIS HAPPENS. UNLESS YOU ARE PARKED YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ON THE PHONE OR TEXTING, ECT.


THE ONLY THING YOU SHOULD BE DOING IS CONCENTRATING ON DRIVING. PERIOD!

 

[UNC036]

Originally Posted By: 91344George
YES..I HOPE THIS HAPPENS. UNLESS YOU ARE PARKED YOU SHOULD NEVER BE ON THE PHONE OR TEXTING, ECT.


THE ONLY THING YOU SHOULD BE DOING IS CONCENTRATING ON DRIVING. PERIOD!


Now had you done that... You may have realized that your CAPS LOCK was on.

Is there a law against CAPS LOCK?

Subject yourself to its punishment please.

Jim