The problem is still enforcing it. I also think texting/surfing while driving is 10x more dangerous than talking on a phone, hands-free or not.
NTSB proposes no cell phones including hands free
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
I would support such a ban here. Talking on a cell phone only adds unnecessary risk.
+1 Here we are allowed to use hands free systems but the real danger is the distraction of having a conversation while driving. Good for the NTSB to have the guts to point that out.
I agree also. How many people have to die before we get the picture?
http://news.yahoo.com/driver-sent-got-11-texts-11-min-crash-151619850.html
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
I would support such a ban here. Talking on a cell phone only adds unnecessary risk.
+1 Here we are allowed to use hands free systems but the real danger is the distraction of having a conversation while driving. Good for the NTSB to have the guts to point that out.
I agree also. How many people have to die before we get the picture?
http://news.yahoo.com/driver-sent-got-11-texts-11-min-crash-151619850.html
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Originally Posted By: cchase
The problem is still enforcing it. I also think texting/surfing while driving is 10x more dangerous than talking on a phone, hands-free or not.
Good point!
The problem is still enforcing it. I also think texting/surfing while driving is 10x more dangerous than talking on a phone, hands-free or not.
Good point!
Of course my point is silly. But it is meant to illustrate how rules/laws made "in the name of safety" can run amok and turn into universal loss of freedom and liberty. We would all be wise to seriously consider every new law very carefully. For example, touch free-hands free is certainly no different than talking with a passenger.
I'm sorry, but "do as I say, not as I do" is an invalid management style. Let's address the problem with something other than an outright, blanket ban. We have the technology to improve the cell phone-driving safety.
I'm sorry, but "do as I say, not as I do" is an invalid management style. Let's address the problem with something other than an outright, blanket ban. We have the technology to improve the cell phone-driving safety.
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Does this include reaching down to change the radio station as I drive? Or perhaps listening to the radio alltogether?
How bout eating while I drive? Or having others in the car who want to talk while I drive? And lets no forget about the other drivers who might be looking at another driver...
The list could go on and on and on and on.
How bout eating while I drive? Or having others in the car who want to talk while I drive? And lets no forget about the other drivers who might be looking at another driver...
The list could go on and on and on and on.
Originally Posted By: AstroTurf
Does this include reaching down to change the radio station as I drive? Or perhaps listening to the radio alltogether?
How bout eating while I drive? Or having others in the car who want to talk while I drive? And lets no forget about the other drivers who might be looking at another driver...
The list could go on and on and on and on.
True all those things are distracting, but no where near as much as texting is. People that are texting look away from the road for several seconds at a time. I've watched them. It amounts to driving blind for several seconds over a long distance. I can't imagine how anyone could think this is a good idea!
Does this include reaching down to change the radio station as I drive? Or perhaps listening to the radio alltogether?
How bout eating while I drive? Or having others in the car who want to talk while I drive? And lets no forget about the other drivers who might be looking at another driver...
The list could go on and on and on and on.
True all those things are distracting, but no where near as much as texting is. People that are texting look away from the road for several seconds at a time. I've watched them. It amounts to driving blind for several seconds over a long distance. I can't imagine how anyone could think this is a good idea!
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Also for those that think texting is their (3 letter word starts with G) given right - does your right to text supersede my right to live?
Originally Posted By: eljefino
They should just add a 50 cent a minute fee that goes into an insurance pool. Would encourage phone use for the exchange of essential information, not gabbing about how mean everyone was at work that day for hours on end.
Implementation is of course the nightmare, as passengers should be able to gab with impunity.
Maybe one should post a couple thousand dollar bond that pays out before insurance does in the event of an accident.
I agree and was thinking along the same lines. Shouldn't go into insurance pool though, it should go into road safety and public transit projects.
How would you implement this emergency use fee though?? The lowest common denominator of phones doesn't track gps (neither position nor velocity) and I don't know if triangulation from towers would be accurate enough to distinguish a car stuck in rush hour on the freeway from a person walking by a pedestrian or bike path along the freeway.
"Implementation is of course the nightmare, as passengers should be able to gab with impunity." I hadn't even thought of this. Yet, maybe they shouldn't be able to gab with impunity or should pay into the system if they want to do so. In my experience it's more often than not annoying when people do.
All this could be avoided if not for a class of folks who can't help themselves or lacks common sense to initiate calls only in safe situations (eg. waiting at red light to dial out, stuck in crawling rush hr traffic).
Cells can be very useful in some situations and even reduce risks. For example, I've been lost quite a few times and called a friend to get me the best directions; in the end this reduced driving greatly and thus risks as well.
They should just add a 50 cent a minute fee that goes into an insurance pool. Would encourage phone use for the exchange of essential information, not gabbing about how mean everyone was at work that day for hours on end.
Implementation is of course the nightmare, as passengers should be able to gab with impunity.
Maybe one should post a couple thousand dollar bond that pays out before insurance does in the event of an accident.
I agree and was thinking along the same lines. Shouldn't go into insurance pool though, it should go into road safety and public transit projects.
How would you implement this emergency use fee though?? The lowest common denominator of phones doesn't track gps (neither position nor velocity) and I don't know if triangulation from towers would be accurate enough to distinguish a car stuck in rush hour on the freeway from a person walking by a pedestrian or bike path along the freeway.
"Implementation is of course the nightmare, as passengers should be able to gab with impunity." I hadn't even thought of this. Yet, maybe they shouldn't be able to gab with impunity or should pay into the system if they want to do so. In my experience it's more often than not annoying when people do.
All this could be avoided if not for a class of folks who can't help themselves or lacks common sense to initiate calls only in safe situations (eg. waiting at red light to dial out, stuck in crawling rush hr traffic).
Cells can be very useful in some situations and even reduce risks. For example, I've been lost quite a few times and called a friend to get me the best directions; in the end this reduced driving greatly and thus risks as well.
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I hate to say it, but police, public, and commercial vehicles are some of the worst offenders with distracted driving. We've had several serious accidents near here as a result of police not paying attention. I see them weaving down the road all the time as I live near a busy police station and I can see they are on the computer or using the phone when they go by. (Plus, they never use their turn signals. Is it the law that police have to signal?)
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Originally Posted By: AstroTurf
Does this include reaching down to change the radio station as I drive? Or perhaps listening to the radio alltogether?
How bout eating while I drive? Or having others in the car who want to talk while I drive? And lets no forget about the other drivers who might be looking at another driver...
The list could go on and on and on and on.
True all those things are distracting, but no where near as much as texting is. People that are texting look away from the road for several seconds at a time. I've watched them. It amounts to driving blind for several seconds over a long distance. I can't imagine how anyone could think this is a good idea!
Oh Silly Me...
I thought it pertained to people who were obeying the law by having a handsfree setup in their vehicle.
But if it is only going to apply to texting while driving, Then by all means carry on.
Jim
Originally Posted By: AstroTurf
Does this include reaching down to change the radio station as I drive? Or perhaps listening to the radio alltogether?
How bout eating while I drive? Or having others in the car who want to talk while I drive? And lets no forget about the other drivers who might be looking at another driver...
The list could go on and on and on and on.
True all those things are distracting, but no where near as much as texting is. People that are texting look away from the road for several seconds at a time. I've watched them. It amounts to driving blind for several seconds over a long distance. I can't imagine how anyone could think this is a good idea!
Oh Silly Me...
I thought it pertained to people who were obeying the law by having a handsfree setup in their vehicle.
But if it is only going to apply to texting while driving, Then by all means carry on.
Jim
Someone made a good comment about this on another website--what about banning GPS in the car too? Those in-car navigation systems are a real menace. I see people driving along at night with one of those lighting up the whole cabin, ruining any night vision, and adding constant distraction. A lot of people mount them right in front of their faces.
Originally Posted By: greenjp
Cujet your examples are quite silly and don't really address the substance here. Me blabbing with my wife on the phone about what stuff we need from the store is in no way comparable to a cop or firefighter communicating with colleagues or pilots talking to air traffic controllers.
jeff
When they banned using a handset down here, they used "statistics" that demonstrated that using a hand held phone impaired the driver to the same extent as driving over the Prescribed Alcohol Concentration of 0.05%....fair enough.
But then they allowed Police, Ambulance and Fire brigade to use handsets.
I certainly don't want the emergency services to be the equivalent of drunk on the job when they are tearing through my partner's school crossing at home time.
They created the "statistic".
Cujet your examples are quite silly and don't really address the substance here. Me blabbing with my wife on the phone about what stuff we need from the store is in no way comparable to a cop or firefighter communicating with colleagues or pilots talking to air traffic controllers.
jeff
When they banned using a handset down here, they used "statistics" that demonstrated that using a hand held phone impaired the driver to the same extent as driving over the Prescribed Alcohol Concentration of 0.05%....fair enough.
But then they allowed Police, Ambulance and Fire brigade to use handsets.
I certainly don't want the emergency services to be the equivalent of drunk on the job when they are tearing through my partner's school crossing at home time.
They created the "statistic".
Originally Posted By: Cujet
For example, touch free-hands free is certainly no different than talking with a passenger.
Passenger can help drive by yelling "Deer!" or simply remaining silent for a second out of consideration while driver is merging or doing something equally tricky.
Of course my kids yell and scream when I'm driving on icy roads, and we can't ban them, and I'd be less dangerous in an empty car on a phone call with an adult.
For example, touch free-hands free is certainly no different than talking with a passenger.
Passenger can help drive by yelling "Deer!" or simply remaining silent for a second out of consideration while driver is merging or doing something equally tricky.
Of course my kids yell and scream when I'm driving on icy roads, and we can't ban them, and I'd be less dangerous in an empty car on a phone call with an adult.
Lets ban the driver from speaking to the passengers too.
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
I would support such a ban here. Talking on a cell phone only adds unnecessary risk.
+1 Here we are allowed to use hands free systems but the real danger is the distraction of having a conversation while driving. Good for the NTSB to have the guts to point that out.
Should we also out law having conversations with passengers that are in the car?
How a bout deep thinking while driving?
How about thinking all together. Because trying to decide if your joking with your post, or if you are really that in favor of government controlling everything and anything you do is really mind boggling to me. I may crash into a group of kids since I am so caught up with this thought. . . .
I need to be pulled over by the police. This is getting out of hand.
Heck, not a SINGLE person would die or get hurt from an auto accident if ALL CARS where banned.
So, you need to be in favor of banning ALL CARS?
So. If you drive a car, you do not care about people nor life and you should be ashamed with yourself.
Keeping it real,
Steve
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
I would support such a ban here. Talking on a cell phone only adds unnecessary risk.
+1 Here we are allowed to use hands free systems but the real danger is the distraction of having a conversation while driving. Good for the NTSB to have the guts to point that out.
Should we also out law having conversations with passengers that are in the car?
How a bout deep thinking while driving?
How about thinking all together. Because trying to decide if your joking with your post, or if you are really that in favor of government controlling everything and anything you do is really mind boggling to me. I may crash into a group of kids since I am so caught up with this thought. . . .
I need to be pulled over by the police. This is getting out of hand.
Heck, not a SINGLE person would die or get hurt from an auto accident if ALL CARS where banned.
So, you need to be in favor of banning ALL CARS?
So. If you drive a car, you do not care about people nor life and you should be ashamed with yourself.
Keeping it real,
Steve
We need less laws, not more.
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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
We need less laws, not more.
^^Right on!
We need less laws, not more.
^^Right on!
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Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
We need less laws, not more.
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!!!
Why do we get stupid laws that are NOT needed???
Because we have a whole lot of LAW MAKERS that want to get paid. Can't get paid unless there are some LAWS to make up out of thin air!
Really. Will there EVER be a point where we say.
"ok. we have enough laws"?????????????????????????????
Or are we going to have to wait until some one passes a law that makes passing laws against the law?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I'm just wondering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We need less laws, not more.
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!!!
Why do we get stupid laws that are NOT needed???
Because we have a whole lot of LAW MAKERS that want to get paid. Can't get paid unless there are some LAWS to make up out of thin air!
Really. Will there EVER be a point where we say.
"ok. we have enough laws"?????????????????????????????
Or are we going to have to wait until some one passes a law that makes passing laws against the law?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I'm just wondering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
cell phone is not the worst. BAN TEXTING WHILE DRIVING
+1.
The use of a phone in the car, unless in a raged argument or forced to use the keypad to do something like enter a CC# isnt the end of the world. Maybe some are too stupid to be able to do it, and I certainly understand that WITHOUT a hands free, you dont have all body parts ready and able to adjust the car in case of emergency. But with a hands free, I see no big deal.
But texting is another story. Youre absolutely right. Talk about a distraction, especially a phone with no keyboard.
The problem still is that implementation is next to impossible. What if Im a passenger and using the driver's phone for example?
cell phone is not the worst. BAN TEXTING WHILE DRIVING
+1.
The use of a phone in the car, unless in a raged argument or forced to use the keypad to do something like enter a CC# isnt the end of the world. Maybe some are too stupid to be able to do it, and I certainly understand that WITHOUT a hands free, you dont have all body parts ready and able to adjust the car in case of emergency. But with a hands free, I see no big deal.
But texting is another story. Youre absolutely right. Talk about a distraction, especially a phone with no keyboard.
The problem still is that implementation is next to impossible. What if Im a passenger and using the driver's phone for example?
The reports I've read so far have recomended all cell phone use by the driver. For that I hope that it gets passed by the states or the federal level. I'm tired of people paying attention to the stupid phone instead of their driving and then realizing that they are about to miss their exit and make a hard right across three lanes of traffic. The reports I've read before says that there is little difference between the rates between hand and hands free phones and they are comparable to DUI. Evidently when using a phone the brain switches to paying more attention to the phone conversation than the driving, but when talking to a passenger it doesn't occure. I'd hate to think how much worse it is for texting. To me there is nothing short of an emergency that is worth the phone call. I believe that the police and emergency services are exempt from these kind of rules. Sorry if I value my hide more than I value somebody using the phone.
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