You are forgeting pepboys 69 cent pennzoil. At that price I will take it any day over chevron. When pennzoil is not on sale I go with Chevron. Look at the VOA of each oil. Between these two there is not much of differnce.
No love for Pennzoil....
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Much of the modern mumbo-jumbo motor oil marketing started in 1993 when a new boss took over at Quaker State. He came up with the idea of special oils for SUVs, etc. From the Quaker State website: "A new Quaker State® was born in June of 1993 when Herbert M. Baum assumed the positions of Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. "
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/about/history.asp
Valvoline invented the high mileage oil category. At the time I thought that was all smoke and mirrors, but over time the concept has been proven to be useful in some higher mileage vehicles, especially for minimizing seal leakage.
Valvoline marketing has focused on their "recommended by mechanics", message which is less offensive to me than most Quaker State marketing. At least Valvoline isn't claiming to have patented heat sensitive molecules and such #@$%!. Valvoline gets derided on this board mostly for "having a weak add pack", yet the UOAs with Valvoline oils, when we see them, are generally top notch. Using VOA results to judge a modern motor oil is a case of a little knowledge being dangerous.
Besides, most of the Valvoline oil I have purchased in the past two years has been either free or nearly so. When I buy retail, I buy Chevron. However, for good deals I will take any major brand. Still working off some Havoline Synthetic & Maxlife Synthetic I picked up at AutoZone for $.33 - $1.00 / quart a year or two ago !
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/about/history.asp
Valvoline invented the high mileage oil category. At the time I thought that was all smoke and mirrors, but over time the concept has been proven to be useful in some higher mileage vehicles, especially for minimizing seal leakage.
Valvoline marketing has focused on their "recommended by mechanics", message which is less offensive to me than most Quaker State marketing. At least Valvoline isn't claiming to have patented heat sensitive molecules and such #@$%!. Valvoline gets derided on this board mostly for "having a weak add pack", yet the UOAs with Valvoline oils, when we see them, are generally top notch. Using VOA results to judge a modern motor oil is a case of a little knowledge being dangerous.
Besides, most of the Valvoline oil I have purchased in the past two years has been either free or nearly so. When I buy retail, I buy Chevron. However, for good deals I will take any major brand. Still working off some Havoline Synthetic & Maxlife Synthetic I picked up at AutoZone for $.33 - $1.00 / quart a year or two ago !
"forgeting pepboys 69 cent pennzoil"
Pepboys rebates .... no thanks! If I want to gamble I can go to Reno
Pepboys rebates .... no thanks! If I want to gamble I can go to Reno
wgtoys so one nich is marketing that makes no differnce in performance does not bother you. But you are offended by another. What gives?
If Quaker State and Penzoil need Slick-50, would it be better to just by an oil like Chevron that does not need any additives added?
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post474062
Read. Now you will see why I use pennzoil/chevron motor oils.
Read. Now you will see why I use pennzoil/chevron motor oils.
For the last time, Pennzoil (and that's with 2 N's)and Quaker State DO NOT need Slick 50. Shell owns it, they sell it anyway they can. Heck, most of the Slick 50 sold is in individual bottles and most consumers or probably the ones that buy Chevron and Havoline at discounted prices.
So, for all of those that don't want to use Pennzoil or Quaker State just because Shell also owns Slick 50, fine, don't buy it. Pennzoil is still the number one selling oil in North America, Quaker State is still the number two selling oil in North America, and the dreaded Slick 50 is still the number one selling after market additive sold in North America. Oh I pitty all those fools that buy these products.
So, for all of those that don't want to use Pennzoil or Quaker State just because Shell also owns Slick 50, fine, don't buy it. Pennzoil is still the number one selling oil in North America, Quaker State is still the number two selling oil in North America, and the dreaded Slick 50 is still the number one selling after market additive sold in North America. Oh I pitty all those fools that buy these products.
Thanks Johnny. BTW I have Pennzoil 5w-20 in my 7qt crackcast right now.
I am using Pennzoil 10W-40 SL in my little old 190E for the winter, got two gallons at BOGO at Meijer. I built a nice stash of PP last month courtesy of AA, and added a bit to it thanks to a killer rebate at PB. I have never seen any bad UOAs posted by anyone using Pennzoil brand products, and they are heavily discounted and rebated.
What's not to love?
What's not to love?
So, if you are not into the severe duty classification you can you Penzoil or Quaker State conventional or synthetic oils without Slick-50? I guess they should mark those shrink wrap packages of Pennzoil with a label to let you know that it's for severe duty applications. Then you would not be paying extra for protection you don't need. Is it more important to add Slick-50 to Pennzoil or Quaker State in the winter time if you live where it gets really cold?
Why are there still people who believe that Quaker State and Pennzoil motor oils contain parraffin wax? All modern conventional motor oils are parraffinic according to what I have been able to find out. And that is not the same as the oil containing wax. I don't believe that QS and Pennzoil even get much if any of their oil from from Penn oil fields anymore. There is still oil in those fields but those fields became unproductive a long time ago. Pennzoil might be using oil from Texas, Oklahoma, or the Middle East for as much as we know.
Just because Slick 50 is still being sold from Shell/Pennzoil/Quaker State does not mean the there is something wrong with Shell, Pennzoil, or Quaker State motor oil. If there was something seriously wrong with Pennzoil oil we would know about it pretty soon since Pennzoil still sells a lot of oil.
I would not buy Slick 50 myself and put it in my engine. But I can buy Pennzoil oil and use it without having to buy Slick 50.
I do dislike a lot of the disceptive motor oil advertising. All quality motor oils contain detergent/disperant additives and when somebody starts bragging about their anti-sludge formula I start to become turned off by that sort of advertising. Do you know what causes sludge? People not changing their oil frequently enough, people letting their motor oil levels get low in their car or truck engines, and people using poor quality motor oil. And there have been a few sludge prone engines. If a person changes their motor oil frequently enough and uses a good quality motor oil, then that person will probably not have a lot of sludge in their engine regardless if they are using Valvoline, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Castrol, Chevron, Halvoline, or whatever. Contrary to the advertising you don't have to use a certain brand of oil to avoid sludge in your engine.
If you really want to reduce sludge buildup in your engine use maintenance doses of Auto-RX.
I personally like to use conventional motor oil most of the year because I like to do reasonable oil change intervals. I am willing to use various brands of conventional motor oil-Chevron, Pennzoil, Halvoline are all good. For the winter months I like to use a synthetic oil since there is no getting around the fact that a synthetic oil will flow better in the cold. And I like to use Auto-RX to keep my engine clean. No Slick 50 for me. I am proud I never used that stuff. But I have to admit that a long time ago I was taken in by another PTFE containing oil supplement.
Just because Slick 50 is still being sold from Shell/Pennzoil/Quaker State does not mean the there is something wrong with Shell, Pennzoil, or Quaker State motor oil. If there was something seriously wrong with Pennzoil oil we would know about it pretty soon since Pennzoil still sells a lot of oil.
I would not buy Slick 50 myself and put it in my engine. But I can buy Pennzoil oil and use it without having to buy Slick 50.
I do dislike a lot of the disceptive motor oil advertising. All quality motor oils contain detergent/disperant additives and when somebody starts bragging about their anti-sludge formula I start to become turned off by that sort of advertising. Do you know what causes sludge? People not changing their oil frequently enough, people letting their motor oil levels get low in their car or truck engines, and people using poor quality motor oil. And there have been a few sludge prone engines. If a person changes their motor oil frequently enough and uses a good quality motor oil, then that person will probably not have a lot of sludge in their engine regardless if they are using Valvoline, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Castrol, Chevron, Halvoline, or whatever. Contrary to the advertising you don't have to use a certain brand of oil to avoid sludge in your engine.
If you really want to reduce sludge buildup in your engine use maintenance doses of Auto-RX.
I personally like to use conventional motor oil most of the year because I like to do reasonable oil change intervals. I am willing to use various brands of conventional motor oil-Chevron, Pennzoil, Halvoline are all good. For the winter months I like to use a synthetic oil since there is no getting around the fact that a synthetic oil will flow better in the cold. And I like to use Auto-RX to keep my engine clean. No Slick 50 for me. I am proud I never used that stuff. But I have to admit that a long time ago I was taken in by another PTFE containing oil supplement.
For the second time, it was sarca.........never mind
Some people lack that sense, obviously
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Pennzoil quiets engines because it fills every orfice with goo. ...and if you believe that then I have some Gunk engine flush to sell ya!
Pennzoil quiets engines because it fills every orfice with goo. ...and if you believe that then I have some Gunk engine flush to sell ya!
Well---------nevermind. I just remembered I'm retired and I don't have to deal with this kind of thinking anymore. I think I will take a break until spring.
Just raising hackles Johnny. Hopefully you know I have been posting in jest. But some folks make it easy to tug on their lower appendages.
There are some people at this website who believe any urban legend before they will believe anything based on logic or fact.
Fact: Pennzoil is the number one brand of motor oil in the USA.
Fact: Quaker State is the number two brand of motor oil in the USA.
Fact: If Pennzoil/Quaker State caused major engine sludge or major engine problems we would know about it since large numbers of car and truck engines would have sludge problems or other major problems caused by poor quality motor oil.
Too many mechanics see a sludged up engine and ask the owner what brand of motor oil the used. They should ask the owner also how often he/she changed the oil. You see a sludged up engine it is quite likely the owner rarely if ever changed the oil. Many sludged up engines will contain Pennzoil or Quaker State oil just because those motor oils are so commonplace. It is not the brand of motor oil that is causing the sludge (unless the owner used SA or SB motor oil) but rather it is the MAINTENANCE PRACTICES of the owner that caused the problem.
Some people are too cheap to buy $1.00-$2.00 a quart motor oil and change their oil at reasonable intervals. They trash an engine costing thousands of dollars. If somebody tries to drive a car or truck 50,000 miles with no oil changes there will be sludge and probable engine failure regardless what brand of motor oil was used.
But this is all too logical for some. They prefer to believe that Pennzoil/Quaker State still come from Penn oil fields and that Pennzoil/Quaker State are loaded with wax.
Fact: Pennzoil is the number one brand of motor oil in the USA.
Fact: Quaker State is the number two brand of motor oil in the USA.
Fact: If Pennzoil/Quaker State caused major engine sludge or major engine problems we would know about it since large numbers of car and truck engines would have sludge problems or other major problems caused by poor quality motor oil.
Too many mechanics see a sludged up engine and ask the owner what brand of motor oil the used. They should ask the owner also how often he/she changed the oil. You see a sludged up engine it is quite likely the owner rarely if ever changed the oil. Many sludged up engines will contain Pennzoil or Quaker State oil just because those motor oils are so commonplace. It is not the brand of motor oil that is causing the sludge (unless the owner used SA or SB motor oil) but rather it is the MAINTENANCE PRACTICES of the owner that caused the problem.
Some people are too cheap to buy $1.00-$2.00 a quart motor oil and change their oil at reasonable intervals. They trash an engine costing thousands of dollars. If somebody tries to drive a car or truck 50,000 miles with no oil changes there will be sludge and probable engine failure regardless what brand of motor oil was used.
But this is all too logical for some. They prefer to believe that Pennzoil/Quaker State still come from Penn oil fields and that Pennzoil/Quaker State are loaded with wax.
My retirement until spring was not directed at you.
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