They have reclaim water piping now? That should seriously be mandatory in the next 20 years in suburb urban planning.
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I find it hard to believe that FL has water problems. It's a peninsula jutting out into the ocean, lol.
Take a page out of UAE's playbook and build some desalinization plants. They've turned a farkin desert into a livable land and economic powerhouse in the Mid East.
Take a page out of UAE's playbook and build some desalinization plants. They've turned a farkin desert into a livable land and economic powerhouse in the Mid East.
Originally Posted By: meangreen01
Take a page out of UAE's playbook and build some desalinization plants. They've turned a farkin desert into a livable land and economic powerhouse in the Mid East.
I beg to differ: the reason why mid-east countries such as UAE, etc. can afford massive salt water desalinization plants have something to do with the fact that: as oil producing countries, they only pay pennies per barrel of oil when compared to us, and for that comes cheep energy to supply energy-intensive operations such as desalinization plants and even an indoor skiing hills inside a large shopping mall (imagine the cost for chillers/refrigerations in order to achieve that) and yet still affordable.
Once the barrel of black crude leaves these oil-producing countries, it becomes economically unbearable (costly enough)to the point where all other energy-intensive operations such as salt-water desalinization plants will become cost-prohibitive.
This is call supply-and-demand in economic terms.
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Take a page out of UAE's playbook and build some desalinization plants. They've turned a farkin desert into a livable land and economic powerhouse in the Mid East.
I beg to differ: the reason why mid-east countries such as UAE, etc. can afford massive salt water desalinization plants have something to do with the fact that: as oil producing countries, they only pay pennies per barrel of oil when compared to us, and for that comes cheep energy to supply energy-intensive operations such as desalinization plants and even an indoor skiing hills inside a large shopping mall (imagine the cost for chillers/refrigerations in order to achieve that) and yet still affordable.
Once the barrel of black crude leaves these oil-producing countries, it becomes economically unbearable (costly enough)to the point where all other energy-intensive operations such as salt-water desalinization plants will become cost-prohibitive.
This is call supply-and-demand in economic terms.
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Also: given the scarcity of water, certain parts of the world needs to resort to using water desalinization method to hydrate their country.
The current technology for that is still consider to be quite energy-intensive.
There are 3 new methods that are currently on the works and should materialize within the next decade or so:
(1) forward osmosis
(2) carbon nanotubes
(3) biomimetics
These should help in reducing the energy requirements for the process and as the cost comes down over time, the affordability should become a reality.
Hopefully, we still have enough ice in the arctic (glaciers, locked frozen water forms, etc.) to sustain our thirsty world.
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p.s. I'm totally against the 3-gorges dam construction, citing the long-term impact to the environment.
The current technology for that is still consider to be quite energy-intensive.
There are 3 new methods that are currently on the works and should materialize within the next decade or so:
(1) forward osmosis
(2) carbon nanotubes
(3) biomimetics
These should help in reducing the energy requirements for the process and as the cost comes down over time, the affordability should become a reality.
Hopefully, we still have enough ice in the arctic (glaciers, locked frozen water forms, etc.) to sustain our thirsty world.
Q.
p.s. I'm totally against the 3-gorges dam construction, citing the long-term impact to the environment.
FL's problem is more of infrastructure than natural environment. When you increase your population you have to expect the increase in consumption. If in the old days you were pumping from a well, you can't expect the same to work if you just 100x the size of the residence in the area.
Building reservoir and pipe them from wet to dry area would be a good start. Fixing the leaking waterway so less of them runs back into the ocean would be next. It takes a lot of investment, but if people think they deserve cheap water and aren't pay for it, they aren't going to get the infrastructure upgraded.
Building reservoir and pipe them from wet to dry area would be a good start. Fixing the leaking waterway so less of them runs back into the ocean would be next. It takes a lot of investment, but if people think they deserve cheap water and aren't pay for it, they aren't going to get the infrastructure upgraded.
Water bills here are ridiculous too!
Our average usage is around 3,000 gallons a month and the bills are as high as our electric bills during mild spring and autumn weather. And this is an all-electric home.
What bothers me here is the huge flat fees on the bill. If we doubled our water usage (100% increase) the bill would increase less than 40%. It surely doesn't motivate anyone to save water.
Our average usage is around 3,000 gallons a month and the bills are as high as our electric bills during mild spring and autumn weather. And this is an all-electric home.
What bothers me here is the huge flat fees on the bill. If we doubled our water usage (100% increase) the bill would increase less than 40%. It surely doesn't motivate anyone to save water.
Originally Posted By: Deltona_Dave
No, I don't live in a mansion, but I do have a yard that is almost 3/4 acre. I think I have found the problem. Seems one of the toilets flapper is slow leaking. I am going to replace that today.
We have a front load washer and low flow toilets, etc. The irrigation system has Hunter rotors for the most part, and they use several GPM each. I am cutting down the times on the 8 zones too.
During the winter, when the irrigation system is off, we only get a 20 water bill (about 70 gallons per day).
There are times when I have to top off the swimming pool, but that should only be about 1000 gallons or so.
Dave
You don't have a yard, you have a field.
I live less than 200 miles from you on 1.2 acres with a pool and a family of three and my water usage averages around 2000 gallons a month
We may not all know it yet, but cheap and clean fresh water is going to the same place that 99 cent/gallon gas went.
No, I don't live in a mansion, but I do have a yard that is almost 3/4 acre. I think I have found the problem. Seems one of the toilets flapper is slow leaking. I am going to replace that today.
We have a front load washer and low flow toilets, etc. The irrigation system has Hunter rotors for the most part, and they use several GPM each. I am cutting down the times on the 8 zones too.
During the winter, when the irrigation system is off, we only get a 20 water bill (about 70 gallons per day).
There are times when I have to top off the swimming pool, but that should only be about 1000 gallons or so.
Dave
You don't have a yard, you have a field.
I live less than 200 miles from you on 1.2 acres with a pool and a family of three and my water usage averages around 2000 gallons a month
We may not all know it yet, but cheap and clean fresh water is going to the same place that 99 cent/gallon gas went.
Originally Posted By: meangreen01
I find it hard to believe that FL has water problems. It's a peninsula jutting out into the ocean, lol.
Take a page out of UAE's playbook and build some desalinization plants. They've turned a farkin desert into a livable land and economic powerhouse in the Mid East.
That may be part of the answer but it is not the final solution.
We have a desal plant here in Tampa Bay and it is wreaking havoc on the ecosystem since it is increasing the salinity of an estuary that needs a lower salt content to thrive.
I find it hard to believe that FL has water problems. It's a peninsula jutting out into the ocean, lol.
Take a page out of UAE's playbook and build some desalinization plants. They've turned a farkin desert into a livable land and economic powerhouse in the Mid East.
That may be part of the answer but it is not the final solution.
We have a desal plant here in Tampa Bay and it is wreaking havoc on the ecosystem since it is increasing the salinity of an estuary that needs a lower salt content to thrive.
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