New USA 0W30 Castrol ( AC ???)

[outrun]

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Pscholte is kinda quiet know, must be gone on another assignement to the Black Forest.

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Conversely, Castrol's counter corporate espionage division may have silenced him in this brewing "Elf-Gate" storm. My instinct says 007 has no reason to lie or bluff on this. History is bound to repeat itself, we all know the great BBB arbitration plunder of '97. Castrol would be doing a total about face to re-enter PAO/Ester usage for the street crowd once more. Maybe the next generation of BITOG will remember 2006 as the last stand of the famed Duetch zuber oil.

In the meantime perhaps it is time for me to hoard a few more cases of GC. We may never see it again, lest for auctions of it here.

[ May 31, 2006, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: outrun ]

 

[akuska]

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Let's keep in mind that at the moment the ONLY place GC is available is AutoZone. It could be that Castrol has to move production of this oil to the US in order to have the quantities necessary to sell it at all the retail outlets that sell the other grades of Syntec.

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x2. It's expensive to ship products over from Germany, particularly given how weak the dollar is right now. I suspect that by switching production here (as they did with BC), they can increase quantities more cheaply.

Let's just fund a VOA so we can see if the "elves" are still making the same brew now that they have finally obtained their American visas.

I wonder if "AC" will meet VW 504 00 and BMW's long-life standard. Those are generally 5w30s, so perhaps BP sees increased sales of 0w30 in the future.

 

[pscholte]

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Originally posted by vad:
Welcome back, Mr Elfe Meister!
The rumors regarding the non-German GC must be really breaking your heart.

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Danke Herr Vad,

Fortunately the Elfe Meister has gathered many Green and Gold soldiers into his "Ölburg" so his heart may remain strong for a while. But he does believe there will come a time when sein Herz wird schwer sein unless Castrol sieht das Licht und das Deutsche Öl behält zu fließen. (This is all what you were thinking, right?)

 

[pscholte]

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Originally posted by GMorg:
pscholte,

With spin like that, I am wondering if you may be a PR monkey?

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Nein, nein, nein (ten, even),

Ich bin kein PR Affe!!!

 

[pscholte]

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Originally posted by outrun:

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Pscholte is kinda quiet know, must be gone on another assignement to the Black Forest.

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Conversely, Castrol's counter corporate espionage division may have silenced him in this brewing "Elf-Gate" storm.

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You are closer to the truth than you realize...fortunately Elvish special forces are quite good and I was able to escape Castrol's NJ stronghold and am free to tell the world what I know...what's that Jürgen? You say there is an ominous figure at the door...pardon me guys, time for a little E and E.

 

[vad]

The funny thing is that my local Autozone still stocks made in US pre-GC.
The oil is 5 yeaes old!!!
The manager has no clue, of course.
Maybe I should call Castrol's wildlife PR department and let them know that it ain't cool for a store keep selling an expired oil.

 

[GMorg]

vad wrote:

"The funny thing is that my local Autozone still stocks made in US pre-GC.
The oil is 5 yeaes old!!!
The manager has no clue, of course."

I told my local AutoZone manager about the yellow labled 0w30. He replaced the lot! -no more pre-GC. Talking to these guys can sometimes be helpful.

 

[Cooper]

Well, no matter what the situation may end up being. GC or AC. I think it is time to start hoarding the GC Gold as well. I truely believe the only likeness to GC the AC would have, (if they actually make it) will be viscosity. The so called tech at Castrol states that the formula will be the same, I think what she meant was that the viscosity will stay the same, and it will still meet the same specs. I believe that the base oil will change. Less moly...etc. Maybe will have a similar add pack. This is only going on what Castrol USA seems to go on with their Syntec line in the USA. If they do, I will be using what I hoard, then changing to Pennzoil Platinum after my stash is gone.

 

[ekpolk]

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Originally posted by Coop0129:
Well, no matter what the situation may end up being. GC or AC. I think it is time to start hoarding the GC Gold as well. I truely believe the only likeness to GC the AC would have, (if they actually make it) will be viscosity. The so called tech at Castrol states that the formula will be the same, I think what she meant was that the viscosity will stay the same, and it will still meet the same specs. I believe that the base oil will change. Less moly...etc. Maybe will have a similar add pack. This is only going on what Castrol USA seems to go on with their Syntec line in the USA. If they do, I will be using what I hoard, then changing to Pennzoil Platinum after my stash is gone.

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Everyone's entitled to their opinions, no problem with that. That said, the only way we're going to get good info about this is to do the heavy duty lab work. I'll join the others who done so in pledging a reasonable share of the cost to do so. Obviously, we'll have to get enough folks on board. Of course, before we do that, we should wait and see what actually appears on the store shelves. So far, only one stated sighting.

 

[vad]

Coop0129, the US made Syntec line on a whole is nothng but improving.
In order to continue meeting the specs the base oil in the US made 0w30 Syntec will have to be extremely robust.
IMHO, your concerns are baseless.

 

[RichD]

Coop0129 wrote >
> Well, no matter what the situation may end up
> being. GC or AC. I think it is time to start
> hoarding the GC Gold as well. I truely believe > the only likeness to GC the AC would have, (if
> they actually make it) will be viscosity. The
> so called tech at Castrol states that the
> formula will be the same, I think what she
> meant was that the viscosity will stay the
> same, and it will still meet the same specs. I
> believe that the base oil will change. Less
> moly...etc.

Less moly than zero? Will that means it contains a moly absorbent?



Regards,

Rich

 

[z917990]

OK - Here's some more evidence to chew on. I just bought 3 quarts of GC (yes, GC) serial number M060876ATW18065 - 9:27. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't this mean that it was born on March 29, 2006 at 9:27? Yes, it is marked "Made in Germany" on the back. So, we now know that, as of 2 months ago, GC was still GC.

 

[wagsg]

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Originally posted by 007008:

4. It will be available everywhere they sell Castrol, not just AZ

5. According to her, it is the exact same product that is currently being manufactured in Germany.

6. It meets every spec. now in the German formula and should be a direct replacement.
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I believe the answers were likely truthful, but #'s 4-5-6 are somewhat (likely intentionaly) vague.

#4-"it will be available everywhere" (available to everyone... yes, but not likely that everyone will stock it)

#5-"it is the exact same product" (as someone mentioned that could simply mean the same weight)

#6-"It meets every spec. now in the German formula" (could it easily meet the same specs with a different ad-pac?)

In my experience... corporate answers are usually carefully crafted.

I'm no expert, just an interested BITOG addict.

 

[vad]

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Originally posted by z917990:
OK - Here's some more evidence to chew on. I just bought 3 quarts of GC (yes, GC) serial number M060876ATW18065 - 9:27. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't this mean that it was born on March 29, 2006 at 9:27? Yes, it is marked "Made in Germany" on the back. So, we now know that, as of 2 months ago, GC was still GC.

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Not necessarily.
The oil you've purchased has been shipped from Germany and then bottled in on March 29 at that particular bottling plant that deals with shipments from overseas.
The oil manufactared by Castrol in US is more likely to be made and then bottled at a different plant.

 

[z917990]

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Originally posted by vad:

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Originally posted by z917990:
OK - Here's some more evidence to chew on. I just bought 3 quarts of GC (yes, GC) serial number M060876ATW18065 - 9:27. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't this mean that it was born on March 29, 2006 at 9:27? Yes, it is marked "Made in Germany" on the back. So, we now know that, as of 2 months ago, GC was still GC.

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Not necessarily.
The oil you've purchased has been shipped from Germany and then bottled in on March 29 at that particular bottling plant that deals with shipments from overseas.
The oil manufactared by Castrol in US is more likely to be made and then bottled at a different plant.

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Yes, but I thought that ALL GC had "Made in Germany" on the back of the bottle, whereas this new stuff, if it exists, does not.

 

[vad]

That's true.
I'm sorry I still don't understand what you were trying to say.

 

[GMorg]

z917990 said that his recently made GC has a "made in germany" label. In other words, if castrol 0W30 is made in america, then the switch occurred sometime after z917990's batch.

 

[FD777]

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Originally posted by 007008:
4. It will be available everywhere they sell Castrol, not just AZ

7. It will take awhile for the pipeline to reach everywhere as this is not an oil that is produced in the quantity like 5w30 or 10w30.

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AC may be hitting only certain places in the U.S.
So we can't go by the date code, because some places will still receive GC.

 

[vad]

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Originally posted by GMorg:
z917990 said that his recently made GC has a "made in germany" label. In other words, if castrol 0W30 is made in america, then the switch occurred sometime after z917990's batch.

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Yes, but nothing precludes Castrol from manufacturing (bottling) both oils at the same time, utilizing different bottling plants.

 

[z917990]

Unless I'm missing something here, however, I have yet to see any substantive evidence that Syntec 0w30 is now manufactured in the U.S. Believe me, I'm not saying that anyone is lying or baiting us, but it looks like this entire discussion is based upon one member's observations. Can somebody please provide a batch number or a picture or something? Has anyone else other than the original poster found this "American Castrol"? Thanks in advance.