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Sounds like a certain poster didn't read the small "Made In Germany" print on the back of the jug.... then misinterpreted what it said on the front.
New USA 0W30 Castrol ( AC ???)
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vad wrote: "There are no engineers on the other side of the line, just the PR monkeys,"
So, do the PR monkeys work for the elves? Or, do the elves work for the PR monkeys? And, are these old world monkeys or new world monkeys? I really thought that the forests that harbored elves did not have any native monkeys? Could they be PR bears perhaps?
So, do the PR monkeys work for the elves? Or, do the elves work for the PR monkeys? And, are these old world monkeys or new world monkeys? I really thought that the forests that harbored elves did not have any native monkeys? Could they be PR bears perhaps?
Fuel for the fire, boy, you guys are tough. When I had made my last post yesterday, I had called Castrol again for information. They called me back today on my cell. I told them the whole long story about how I had seen this stuff, could not now get my hands on a quart to answer a lot of questions that had been asked by this board. I can only report back what she "Shannon" from customer relations told me.
1. She did not have a picture of the new stuff she could fax me.
2. She was aware that many people like the German made Castrol.
3. This is a new product just now being manufactured and shipped in the USA.
4. It will be available everywhere they sell Castrol, not just AZ
5. According to her, it is the exact same product that is currently being manufactured in Germany.
6. It meets every spec. now in the German formula and should be a direct replacement.
7. It will take awhile for the pipeline to reach everywhere as this is not an oil that is produced in the quantity like 5w30 or 10w30.
8. Although she said that anything was possible, that once the pipeline of product was full, that importation of the German product would probably cease as there would be no further need.
I again requested a picture, she again said they did not have a handout with the picture available, but, to tell you all, that the product you love will soon be on counters everywhere, but made in the USA.
007
1. She did not have a picture of the new stuff she could fax me.
2. She was aware that many people like the German made Castrol.
3. This is a new product just now being manufactured and shipped in the USA.
4. It will be available everywhere they sell Castrol, not just AZ
5. According to her, it is the exact same product that is currently being manufactured in Germany.
6. It meets every spec. now in the German formula and should be a direct replacement.
7. It will take awhile for the pipeline to reach everywhere as this is not an oil that is produced in the quantity like 5w30 or 10w30.
8. Although she said that anything was possible, that once the pipeline of product was full, that importation of the German product would probably cease as there would be no further need.
I again requested a picture, she again said they did not have a handout with the picture available, but, to tell you all, that the product you love will soon be on counters everywhere, but made in the USA.
007
Hmmm, all interesting and valid questions.
I know only one person who is ultimately qualified to answer them.
Pscholte, of course.
As far as I know he enjoys a nearly unlimited access to the elvish production lines.
Pscholte is kinda quiet know, must be gone on another assignement to the Black Forest.
i dunno.
i just like everything german. i'm learning the language and get german tv through Dishnetwork.
By how many centistokes???quote:
Originally posted by vad:
WOW!!!
The plot thickens!!!
007:
Now that's a little more for us to sink our teeth into (as if we haven't sunk them deep enough into you!). A couple of thoughts. First, this is the sort of detail that reflects real conversation (that or you're an absolutely superb fabricator
). Please understand that the reception your initial post received is a result, IMO, of the fact that you're not yet well known here, and this is a major change in a prominent, popular product.
Second, I've personally tried to converse with Castrol and its reps a couple times, and I've given up on it. All I've received is mindless meaningless blather (and coupons for free quarts...). Your info sounds more specific, and thus, I'm more inclined to take it seriously. At this point, not that it has to matter to you, but I'll go so far as to be intrigued, and alert to see what starts showing up on the shelves.
Third, the "everywhere Syntec is sold" comment seems odd to me. Maybe the word really is getting out on this stuff and other stores are wanting it, but still 0w30 is an "oddball" grade, at least with respect to the mainstream US market. Suddenly ALL the other stores besides AZ are ordering it? Hmmmm. Moreover, if Castrol is really thinking about this product, they have to realize that, right or wrong, a major part of the mystique is the German origin. Might this strategy backfire when there's suddenly lots of 0w30 around, but none that says "Made in Germany" on the back???
Fourth, I have my doubts about it being the "exact same product" they make in Germany. Having been part of the "study" done on this stuff, it's apparent that it's add pack consists of specialized products made just for this oil. Maybe they're bringing the recipes and "tooling" for all these fluids here. But given Castrol's history, maybe they're not. I'm going to wait and see. Of course, I'm sitting on a small ocean of green GC so I have the luxury of being able to wait.
Very interesting all this -- should keep all of us squabbling for months to come!!!
Now that's a little more for us to sink our teeth into (as if we haven't sunk them deep enough into you!). A couple of thoughts. First, this is the sort of detail that reflects real conversation (that or you're an absolutely superb fabricator
Second, I've personally tried to converse with Castrol and its reps a couple times, and I've given up on it. All I've received is mindless meaningless blather (and coupons for free quarts...). Your info sounds more specific, and thus, I'm more inclined to take it seriously. At this point, not that it has to matter to you, but I'll go so far as to be intrigued, and alert to see what starts showing up on the shelves.
Third, the "everywhere Syntec is sold" comment seems odd to me. Maybe the word really is getting out on this stuff and other stores are wanting it, but still 0w30 is an "oddball" grade, at least with respect to the mainstream US market. Suddenly ALL the other stores besides AZ are ordering it? Hmmmm. Moreover, if Castrol is really thinking about this product, they have to realize that, right or wrong, a major part of the mystique is the German origin. Might this strategy backfire when there's suddenly lots of 0w30 around, but none that says "Made in Germany" on the back???
Fourth, I have my doubts about it being the "exact same product" they make in Germany. Having been part of the "study" done on this stuff, it's apparent that it's add pack consists of specialized products made just for this oil. Maybe they're bringing the recipes and "tooling" for all these fluids here. But given Castrol's history, maybe they're not. I'm going to wait and see. Of course, I'm sitting on a small ocean of green GC so I have the luxury of being able to wait.
Very interesting all this -- should keep all of us squabbling for months to come!!!
Let's keep in mind that at the moment the ONLY place GC is available is AutoZone. It could be that Castrol has to move production of this oil to the US in order to have the quantities necessary to sell it at all the retail outlets that sell the other grades of Syntec.
IIRC there was a post a while back saying that a member ordered a case of 0w30 Syntec from his local parts house and was blessed with the green.
My question is about the supply line. If he obtained it this way it seems that the sale of GC isn't restricted to AZ, that is to say that AZ orders from a distributor. If that is true where is this stuff wharehoused? Does Castrol wharehouse in various locations from which resellers obtain their supplies? Can any reseller order it from the same distributors?
I guess G-Man got me thinking about this.
It seems that it opens some avenues to explore if any of my blather might have merit. John
My question is about the supply line. If he obtained it this way it seems that the sale of GC isn't restricted to AZ, that is to say that AZ orders from a distributor. If that is true where is this stuff wharehoused? Does Castrol wharehouse in various locations from which resellers obtain their supplies? Can any reseller order it from the same distributors?
I guess G-Man got me thinking about this.
It seems that it opens some avenues to explore if any of my blather might have merit. John
G-Man:
Good point. This again implicates the conundrum of whether it will still be the same highly coveted product, after they shift production to the 'States and push the product out to more retailers??? Perhaps a poor analogy, but if DC started making S-Class Benzes in large quantities in Detroit, would the market see it as the same way it does today?
Good point. This again implicates the conundrum of whether it will still be the same highly coveted product, after they shift production to the 'States and push the product out to more retailers??? Perhaps a poor analogy, but if DC started making S-Class Benzes in large quantities in Detroit, would the market see it as the same way it does today?
Your S-Class analogy brings forward the issue of perception vs reality. Mercedes could surely build a factory in the US to make S-Class cars that are the equal in every detail to those made in Germany. That would be "reality." The "perception" of American car buyers would no doubt be different from the reality.
Just to point out the obvious,
If GC really shifts to AC, we won't really know how it compares until it comes out. used oil analysis, VOAs, and Bitogers will determine this.
There's no doubt, the U.S. is definitely 100% capable in making this product equal or better. It's just a matter of how Castrol handles this project.
There's always uncertainty (maybe even some animosity) towards unknown change. Although this goes against our nature, we just have to wait.
(Unless someone here has some influence on Castrol!)
Anyways, my FAQ might need some updating.
If GC really shifts to AC, we won't really know how it compares until it comes out. used oil analysis, VOAs, and Bitogers will determine this.
There's no doubt, the U.S. is definitely 100% capable in making this product equal or better. It's just a matter of how Castrol handles this project.
There's always uncertainty (maybe even some animosity) towards unknown change. Although this goes against our nature, we just have to wait.
(Unless someone here has some influence on Castrol!)
Anyways, my FAQ might need some updating.
^^^ I'm down to throw in some $$$.
I have returned from my latest foray into the Black Forest and was ist diese Aufruhr, die ich finde? The Elves know nothing about Affen. Es gibt keine Affen in Deutschland außer am Zoo. The Elves are amused by your questions but they do think you have been in too tightly closed a room with too many open bottles of GC Green. They made that mistake once, but after things quieted down and die Polizei departed they promised themselves they would never do that again!
pscholte,
With spin like that, I am wondering if you may be a PR monkey?
With spin like that, I am wondering if you may be a PR monkey?
Oils change all the time, and like anything else, GC will change too. Castrol is a blender, not a manufacturer so they could be sourcing new materials. They might make a new 0w30 that might pass all the specs, but won't be quite as stellar as the GC we have had over the years. Quite a few people on here might need to consult with their shrinks until this situation is cleared up.
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