Sorry, I will not believe that it's a conspiracy until you post pictures of elves lurking in the bushes behind your house. . .quote:
Originally posted by vad:
It's starting to sound like a conspiracy.
New USA 0W30 Castrol ( AC ???)
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i usually dont go around taking pics of oil...but if i new i was going to be doubted for telling as ive seen you can bet your @ss i would have taken pics...if im there again i will get pics to prove what i say! sorry but i have no reason to lie about a quart of oil, where its made and what it looks like....
Speaking only for myself, I don't think anyone's lying about this. Unfortunately, as a result of Castrol's frequently changing labeling and formulae, this is a potentially very confusing subject. Add to that the fact that this is a very popular product that is frequently discussed, and I also don't think it's unreasonable for those of us who follow the stuff to decline to rely upon a new, unknown member's verbal description alone of a possible change. Respectfully, pictures or numbers please!!!
Was at autozone and heres what i found. 0w30 has european formula on front and made in germany on back. Also there is no more green on the bottle it's all yellow and made in germany is now stated in the middle of the bottle. Not under the 0w30 designation to the right.
I made the run today and collected 6 quarts of Gold.
They are all marked M060876ATW18065 09:03.
The previous run produced M060446ATW18066 08:13.
The first run I collected M053366ATW45006 08:04
All of the above was post GC collections.
And as I expected after trying to educate the AZ guy about the age of the old '02 stuff I found on my last visit, with his assurance that that they would remove it from the shelves dur to it's age, it is still there.
Um, I did take pics of the three versions of the gold that I have bought. I have front, back and bottom images available if there is any need for them.
Er, I don't have images of the old '02 stuff or the AZ guy that lied to me, LOL! John
They are all marked M060876ATW18065 09:03.
The previous run produced M060446ATW18066 08:13.
The first run I collected M053366ATW45006 08:04
All of the above was post GC collections.
And as I expected after trying to educate the AZ guy about the age of the old '02 stuff I found on my last visit, with his assurance that that they would remove it from the shelves dur to it's age, it is still there.
Um, I did take pics of the three versions of the gold that I have bought. I have front, back and bottom images available if there is any need for them.
Er, I don't have images of the old '02 stuff or the AZ guy that lied to me, LOL! John
got_titan,
I do not believe you are making anything up (or worse). If you looked at my earlier post, this is A LOT about previous similar claims that never proved true. If you tell me this is what you think you saw, I accept that. But you MIGHT have misinterpreted....and you MIGHT be correct. The origin of this oil is an "issue" to people so you have to understand that claims like this will receive a skeptical response if they are not backed up with some form of "documentation." You are NOT under indictment...at least not by me!
Yes, we need to see the specific "Made in _______" language. Post 'em and let's get this thing nailed down one way or the other. Thanks.
I too saw today GC Gold "Made in Germany" with that number on a reconn trip.
That would mean that John's statement that "All of the above was post GC collections" is not correct. The M06087... batch is still "German Castrol". This is the sort of confusion that photos, back and bottom, will eliminate, for once and for all.
I'll host pics for anyone who has 'em but doesn't know how to do it. PM me and we'll set it up.
I wonder if it (the question mark) might hang around for quite a while. It is sort of difficult to prove that something doesn't exist.
Glad I didn't step in anything, er too deep anyway.
Glad I didn't step in anything, er too deep anyway.
Checked my Autozones - latest they had was M053 and was still made in Germany
Haven't found any M06
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Just got back from a trip to Green Bay Wisconsin by way of Oshkosh. I visited on AZ in Green bay and one (I think the only one) in Oshkosh. Both had '05 vintage GC, some in Katrina bottles. No '06 stuff, no AC, if it exists. I didn't buy any, though. I also visited the AZ in Dixon, Il and all they had was '01 vintage pre-GC.
Dang, '01 has to be the oldest vintage I've seen reported. Then too where you found it may have a lot to say about it's age.
Thanks for the report, they all add up to help the cause.
Thanks for the report, they all add up to help the cause.
You know guys, as I think about all the 01 still lying around, some thoughts occur to me: (1) either Autozone has terrible inventory control and they don't realize they have some "engine killing oil" sitting out there; OR (2) it takes a really degenerated old oil to actually kill an engine and so (a) they have never had anyone "call" them on it or (b) they know that it is tough for a modern oil (even a five year old one) to actually kill an engine and so they aren't worried; OR (3) they have a really cavalier attitude about the products they sell and the fallout from selling them. They HAVE to have policies about their products...you would think that--if it is truly THAT critical--the age of oil would be a subject of one of their sales policies. It could be that, other than the requirement to use an oil correctly suited to your engine (viscosity, rating [e.g. 502.01, ACEA C3, SM]), the age is NOT that big a deal (of course I am not talking about a REALLY old [10+ years] oil).
My son used to work at Autozone. Saying they don't care much and have terrible inventory control are both understatements.
They have no idea how old the stock is in a given store. Stock turns and inventory reorder points are what concern them. They only look at what's sold and that determines how much more they'll get in. So it's entirely possible a quart of US 0w30 could have been on the shelf of a given store since the day it opened.
They do other silly things with stock. Before my son left his store had cases of the Mobil MX2T in the back. But, since Mobil changed the name to Racing 2T and the packaging from pints to quarts, there was no longer any place in the store to stock the older stuff.
So it sat there for months, waiting for someone to decide what to do with it. Last he knew before leaving, it couldn't even be sold because it wasn't current product...
They have no idea how old the stock is in a given store. Stock turns and inventory reorder points are what concern them. They only look at what's sold and that determines how much more they'll get in. So it's entirely possible a quart of US 0w30 could have been on the shelf of a given store since the day it opened.
They do other silly things with stock. Before my son left his store had cases of the Mobil MX2T in the back. But, since Mobil changed the name to Racing 2T and the packaging from pints to quarts, there was no longer any place in the store to stock the older stuff.
So it sat there for months, waiting for someone to decide what to do with it. Last he knew before leaving, it couldn't even be sold because it wasn't current product...
AZ has customers that are shall we say, the lowest common denominator.
The stores sell on item cost, product availability, and store location, not quality. Where else will you find an auto parts store open on Thanksgiving day in small town Illinois?
Some of the items they carry are good quality like the Goodyear belts and their high end brake pads. But their "world class"
rebuilt products and made who knows where no name budget repair items should be avoided at all cost.
They're the Walmart of the auto parts business. That's why you see their lots full of guys trying to patch up their junkers and repair shops buying elsewhere...
In a way, I don't blame them although I couldn't stand to work for a company like that and neither could my son. But, someone has to sell to that market and they've gotten to be the largest auto parts company in the US from doing business that way.
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Some of the items they carry are good quality like the Goodyear belts and their high end brake pads. But their "world class"
They're the Walmart of the auto parts business. That's why you see their lots full of guys trying to patch up their junkers and repair shops buying elsewhere...
In a way, I don't blame them although I couldn't stand to work for a company like that and neither could my son. But, someone has to sell to that market and they've gotten to be the largest auto parts company in the US from doing business that way.
[ June 11, 2006, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: jsharp ]
Agreed.. You have to speak to a manager to get results. Some of their pay is associated with how well the store does. I scored 100 of those MX2T's that were sitting on a shelf with a quick discussion with the manager. Worked out to be 2.00 a quart. While "helping" the manager retrieve the MX2T, I also got several .99 Delo gallons, and a box of STP filters, "pre ecore", for .50 each.
BTW, I've checked the Saint Louis stores... no AC yet, but there is still green lurking in a few places...
I tried to buy some MX2T right before my son left. I liked the pint bottles better and his discount was great. But, the "unstockable inventory" had gotten buried in the back somewhere and no one was interested in digging it out because the manager wasn't interested in figuring out how much it would cost to sell.
I might have thought it was just his store but I've been to all of them in the area many times. What was frightneing was that his store was the cleanest and what seemed to be the most well run of any within 30+ miles...
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