NEW Toyota Tundra - 381hp 401lbs of tq

[JHZR2]

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The 5.7L V8 models have a tow rateing of 10,800 lbs.!!

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There won't be a Toyota on the road that can take advantage of the 10,800lb tow rating. The reason is that the cargo capacity will be overloaded long before you get to the max tow rating.

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Great point...

I see very little point to 1/2 ton pickups with large engines. THeir utility (to me) is marginal at best.

If Im ever going to really do hauling that is worthwhile, (a) Im going to need a 3/4 ton or better... and (b) there is no way that Im going to sacrifice durability and economy with a big v8, when I can run a far more efficient and capable diesel... the initial puchase price premuim will pay for itself in the long run over and over again.

JMH

 

[benjamming]

So, do you think that the 1/2 ton Tundra should just really come with the V6?

 

[Stewart Fan]

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So, do you think that the 1/2 ton Tundra should just really come with the V6?

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No because the V8 will probably get better MPG than a V6. A 1/2 ton truck can be a capable tow rig,IMO the limit should be closer to 5-6000lbs. With the small amount of payload a typical 1/2 ton has thats all you'll really be able to tow anyways.

5-6000lbs will cover a couple yds of topsoil,or some landscape pavers,ect.

The other thing to consider is how much 10,000lbs really is. That much weight is a serious load,even with a BB gas engine or diesel in a HD pickup.

 

[Stewart Fan]

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The 5.7L V8 models have a tow rateing of 10,800 lbs.!!

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There won't be a Toyota on the road that can take advantage of the 10,800lb tow rating. The reason is that the cargo capacity will be overloaded long before you get to the max tow rating.

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when I can run a far more efficient and capable diesel... the initial puchase price premuim will pay for itself in the long run over and over again.

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Thats not really the case anymore. Even before the new laws with ULSD it was typically about 100K miles before the average driver broke even with a diesel. Now the new diesels designed for ULSD are going to be as much as $5000 more than previous diesels. That'll add another 100K miles to the break even point. So now you have to drive close to 200K miles to break even. How many people keep a truck that long?

In the NW,diesel has been about $.50 a gallon more than regular for probably 3 years. Add that to the lower MPG the ULSD diesels will get and it takes even longer to break even.

I was going to look at a diesel,but in my case I'd probably never break even.

 

[WishIhadatruck]

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The 5.7L V8 models have a tow rateing of 10,800 lbs.!!

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There won't be a Toyota on the road that can take advantage of the 10,800lb tow rating. The reason is that the cargo capacity will be overloaded long before you get to the max tow rating.

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when I can run a far more efficient and capable diesel... the initial puchase price premuim will pay for itself in the long run over and over again.

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Thats not really the case anymore. Even before the new laws with ULSD it was typically about 100K miles before the average driver broke even with a diesel. Now the new diesels designed for ULSD are going to be as much as $5000 more than previous diesels. That'll add another 100K miles to the break even point. So now you have to drive close to 200K miles to break even. How many people keep a truck that long?

In the NW,diesel has been about $.50 a gallon more than regular for probably 3 years. Add that to the lower MPG the ULSD diesels will get and it takes even longer to break even.

I was going to look at a diesel,but in my case I'd probably never break even.

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You are correct that it always took about 100k miles of driving to break even except you haven't considered resale. Used diesels almost always get your initial purchase price back, especially now that fuel prices are up. If it cost 6-7k more than a gas motor it will typically bring 6-7k more on the used market as well. So you end up money ahead minus the extra money spent on more expensive maintance items. I've heard that it will cost GM $3000 more for the Duramax diesels being made starting 1/1/07 but I haven't heard how much more it will cost the consumer, anyone know how much the prices went up? I have never hear the ULSD trucks will get worse mpg, where have you heard that?

I'm not in the market for a diesel but if I need to pull, that is what I would get if I could afford one. You get your money back when you sell used regardless of how long you kept it. If you drive it for more than 100k and pull a lot then you are way ahead. They still get much better mpg than a HD gas truck. The newest diesels do seem to be biased towards torque rather than fuel efficiency however so the benefit is not what it once was, but they are much more fun to drive. A Duramax with a 6-speed Allison is fun to drive.

Edit: I checked and the new 2007's cost about $1200 more for the diesel option according to KBB versus the 2006 model.

 

[Quest]

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When Toyota comes out with a 3/4 or 1 ton, 4X4, standard cab, with an inline six diesel, I'll be first in line.

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Actually, Toyota owns a diesel truck division called Hino and for that you can go with Hino trucks if you need to go more than 3/4 tonnes.

Here up north, Hino and GMC (it's actually an Isuzu) gained the most popularity in medium duty trucks on the city roads. Wherever you go, there's always Hino and Isuzu/GMC around.

p.s. in ultralight division, Toyota also owns Daihatsu (my fave), same like Mitsu and Honda, which have their own ultra-light truck/van division (those darned 660CC 3cyl with 680lbs payload in the sidestreets in downtown Tokyo).

 

[valaker]

Just saw one in Walnut creek CA yesterday. It certainly made me stop and look for a minute. It was a double cab with a shorter bed 2x4. Looked like a typical suburbanite truck to be kept shiny and parked next to the Lexus etc. I liked the front end, but the lines as they transitioned to the bed looked awkward, kinda like a Camry/Solara. Too many curves and bulges.Just my

 

[MC5W20]

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I have yet to see "So'n'So Masonry Services" on the side of any Toyota truck.

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Thats funny. When I have contractors come to my house to bid on jobs - I only pick those who drive domestic vehicles. Any one that shows up in an import doesn't get my business.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

That's silly. I see many landscapers and contractors around San Antonio with Tundras. All it tells me is that the owner has found a lucrative market.

 

[mdv]

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I have yet to see "So'n'So Masonry Services" on the side of any Toyota truck.

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Thats funny. When I have contractors come to my house to bid on jobs - I only pick those who drive domestic vehicles. Any one that shows up in an import doesn't get my business.

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Seems a little backwards to me. I would be way more interested in the quality of the work I'm paying for. I could care less what they drive.

 

[Mokanic]

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I have yet to see "So'n'So Masonry Services" on the side of any Toyota truck.

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Thats funny. When I have contractors come to my house to bid on jobs - I only pick those who drive domestic vehicles. Any one that shows up in an import doesn't get my business.

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Thats a pityful way to determine who to do business with. I am more concerned with quality of work and integrity. I don't care if his truck has four legs and a big hump on his back.

 

[D189379]

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I have yet to see "So'n'So Masonry Services" on the side of any Toyota truck.

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Thats funny. When I have contractors come to my house to bid on jobs - I only pick those who drive domestic vehicles. Any one that shows up in an import doesn't get my business.

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Wow. Why don't you just make your decision on the color of their skin?

 

[Warlord]

I agree with MC5W20 completely. There are plenty of good contractors driving domestics that will get my business first. There aren't many driving imports anyways though.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

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I have yet to see "So'n'So Masonry Services" on the side of any Toyota truck.

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Thats funny. When I have contractors come to my house to bid on jobs - I only pick those who drive domestic vehicles. Any one that shows up in an import doesn't get my business.

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Wow. Why don't you just make your decision on the color of their skin?

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It's possible that is the case.

 

[Warlord]

You guys are being ridiculous. I know the import crowd rules things around here, but to suggest that someone may be racist because he supports domestic buying contractors is utterly absurd. Shame on you.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

I see it as no different a judgement to make on a person than other personal choices such as religion, political affiliations etc.

Here is a definition of what is described, I don't need to say the word
-noun- a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

 

[Warlord]

You're comparing religion and politics to vehicle preference? That is most interesting.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

What's interesting is the concept of awarding contracts based on said contractors vehicle preference.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

If you needed a roofer to put on a new roof on your home and you had a bunch of good referrals and a reputation of good quality and timely work completion preceded the contractor and he gave you the best quote for the job , would someone seriously turn him around if he pulled up in a Honda ridge line/Toyota Tundra or Tacoma, or a Nissan Titan pulling trailer ready to go to work?

 

[javacontour]

I can see it in some cases.

For example, a job candidate FedEx's his application for a UPS or Postal Service position, bzzt. The choice of carrier does matter.

Or...

If this contractor was seeking to do the landscaping at the local GM, Ford, or Chrysler plant.

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Taking a VP for MasterCard out to lunch and paying for the mean with your corporate Amex card.

Those are just boneheaded decisions.

But to me, even in the IT business, I don't check to make sure that my bank, or others are using Sun computers.

Maybe I should, LOL.