New Ravenol Ultra Fuel Economy 0W-8

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I like when companies publish this type of data. Very good numbers FWIW.

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I will only trust a thick 5W-30 synthetic (with minimum 11.4 Kinetic Viscosity @ 100C) at 4k oil change intervals in any vehicle I own regardless of what Automakers (who fear CAFE fines) write in their owners manuals. I don't even trust 20 weight oils in any of my vehicles, 0W-16 is scary, 0W-8 is insanity.
The used car market is going to be a minefield with people running 0W-16 and someday 0W-8 with 10k oil changes.

The whole idea of: "I follow my owners manual, so I am doing the right thing" mentality no longer applies.
Following your owners manual's oil viscosity and drain interval recommendations is the best way to shorten your engine's longevity.
 
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I will only trust a thick 5W-30 synthetic (with minimum 11.4 Kinetic Viscosity @ 100C) at 4k oil change intervals in any vehicle I own regardless of what Automakers (who fear CAFE fines) write in their owners manuals. I don't even trust 20 weight oils in any of my vehicles, 0W-16 is scary, 0W-8 is insanity.
The used car market is going to be a minefield with people running 0W-16 and someday 0W-8 with 10k oil changes.


So far those fears have not come to fruition.
 
@Direct_Rejection, What is it that you're unsure of? That is what you meant with that smiley, yes?
Joking, due to now having logged almost 70k miles on HPL PP 0W8.

I happened to have purchased a new PriusC the very day Ravenol came to market with the at that time jaw-dropping EFE 0W16.

I used that oil in the PriusC, spec'd for 0W20, with satisfaction.

I will scrutinize these numbers but am a High Performance Lubricants cutomer for life.

TY Shel_b.
 
So far those fears have not come to fruition.
The damage done to timing chains in Ford engines after Ford switched their oil viscosity recommendation from 5W-30 to 5W-20 took over a decade to materialize. Ford has switched it's recommendations back to 5W-30 for many of it's engines.

The switch to ultra thin oils (0W-16 and someday 0W-8) won't have problems materialize during the typical 60,000 mile warranty period.
Those issues are likely to materialize after 100k miles with high oil consumption and worn out engines.

In my opinion, the Europeans got it right when they focus on HTHS (High Temperature/High Shear) as an important oil protection property.
Certain parts of an engine get "extrememly hot" and also the oil experiences high shear during higher RPM's.
20 weight oil is typically at a HTHS of 2.6 when the oil is new, but it will sheer down to lower HTHS numbers after 4k to 5k miles.
Any HTHS below 2.6 has been shown to cause exponential engine wear.
Just google it, see the chart on HTHS below 2.6 and engine wear exponentially increasing.

I'm not looking to start a debate. My focus in this discussion is on long term engine longevity, as I typically keep vehicles for more than 10 years. The greatest freedom all of us have is to use the oil which protects their engine the best, which is not necessarily what the Cafe fine fearing Automaker's owner's manual recommends.
 
Bill7, I am curious to get your thoughts on SP level tests. The timing chain test was a tough nut to crack in the face of fuel economy requirements. How much of this was viscosity, and how much soot control ?
 
Good question. Likely it would be viscosity due to film thickness during High Temperature / High Sheer driving.

The timing chain test would be using brand new oil. After a 20 weight or thinner oil has been in the engine for 5,000+ miles,
it will likely sheer down to a much lower HTHS and likely would fail that same timing chain test.

Ford recommends 5W-30 for most of its engines with start/stop technology (which is very hard on the oil).
If 20 weight oil protected an engine equal to better than 30 weight, Ford never would have switched back to 30 weight oil.

My main reason to use 30 weight oil is for the inevitable extreme conditions that may happen during an oil change interval, like going on a vacation with the family driving a few thousand miles cross country, which might include a minivan carrying 8 heavy people + heavy luggage with Air Conditioning on and going up mountain hills during parts of the trip. In this high temperature / high sheer situation, 20 weight or thinner oils would really sheer and get so thin as to not provide enough film strength and could allow for metal on metal contact inside the engine.

Toyota has surprisingly moved in the opposite direction, specing nearly all of their new cars for 0W-16.
Toyota also recommends 10,000 mile oil changes. This long drain interval should allow the 0W-16 to sheer down to a 0W-8 oil.
So far, no issues with that from what I can tell by google searches.

But my suspicion is that after 100k miles, these cars will show higher than normal engine wear / oil consumption.
It will be interesting to follow this over the long term to see if engines using 0W-16 can make it to 200,000 miles.
My expectation is no.
 
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The damage done to timing chains in Ford engines after Ford switched their oil viscosity recommendation from 5W-30 to 5W-20 took over a decade to materialize. Ford has switched it's recommendations back to 5W-30 for many of it's engines.


Well, that’s Ford.
 
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