Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Humidity, temperature, open air or trapped air gun cabinets/safes, cleaning agents used just prior to application, all play into factors concerning planted based lubes. Plus, were cleaning agents totally removed prior to application? - not removed?...... also play into how these plant based gun lubes work.
Everybody's home, hunting grounds....etc....etc... are all different than others here. There's no way to determine the effects of lubes like Frog Lube, unless everyone used it the same exact same way as everyone else.
I won;t use a plant based anymore. I live in North country and Frog Lube is not a friend of all sorts of guns / gun actions outdoors for long periods of the day and during the winter months.
Back last December I was at my club range early on a Monday morning. It was sunny, and about 50 degrees at the time. I had the place all to myself for about an hour, when this truck pulled up. A guy was there with his young son. After they got set up they uncased a Stag Arms AR-15. I saw him pulling hard on the charging handle, trying to get the bolt back. All to no avail. After a couple of minutes I walked over and asked if I could help. He asked if I knew what was wrong, and handed me the weapon. I could smell a slight trace of mint as I closely examined the gun. I asked when he last shot it, and he said it was in his safe since early last Summer. I then asked what he lubed it with, and he told me...... you guessed it, Frog Lube.
I pulled on the charging handle VERY HARD, and the bolt didn't budge. He then tried to get it open with no luck. This went on for about 10 minutes, and they were just about ready to call it quits and head back home. Normally I don't like screwing around with other peoples guns, but this poor guy seemed at a loss. I told him I had a spare charging handle in my range cart, and I would be glad to let him use it if his broke, or got damaged trying to get it open. I had him hold the weapon firmly by the forend with the muzzle off to his side while pointing it downrange, while I held the butt with one hand, and yanked on the charging handle as hard as I possibly could with mechanics gloves on. Finally it opened.
I cycled it a few times and pulled the rear takedown pin, and removed the bolt carrier and charging handle. I disassembled the firing pin retaining pin, pulled both the pin, bolt cam pin, and the bolt out of the gun. I had to push the cam pin out with the firing pin it was so gummed up. Everything I touched was a complete gooey, gummed up mess. Almost like it was coated with Molasses, only thicker, and just as brown. I had a big bottle of Hoppes #9 with me and some rags. And he spent about 15 minutes trying to clean everything off as best he could. I had some Mobil 1 in a squeeze bottle, and I liberally soaked everything with it until the parts were literally dripping. We reassembled it, and it ran like a scalded dog. Both he and his son were very happy. Needless to say he told me he was done with that garbage. I was amazed how that junk locked up that gun.
How can something that is supposed to applied as a thin coat and wiped off, turn into a wall of slime? Granted it's applied properly that is.
We can trade anecdotes all day long.
One of our 3-gun boys is sponsored by Wilson Combat, he put about 80K rounds of ammo downrange last year. It's all he uses and I guarantee you if anything fails in his guns, it's going in the trash. I have also personally have seen more than a few ARs go through a 2 day class with no problems, and again add one of my builds to the list. I will say I do know how to apply it though.
Either way, this is moot. How about you post hard data? Because I've yet to see this outside of what sounds like newbie anecdotes posted on the internet.
