New Lubes / CLP's You Want To Try In 2017 ?
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Hold your nose when applying it - wash your hands good afterwards and hope it doesn't seep onto your clothes. If it does and you touch that part of your clothes - then you put your hands in your mouth.... well good luck with all that.
Non-toxic .... non-smelly and biodegradable oils are not expensive at all. What's $10-15 after paying many hundreds for the gun?
Non-toxic .... non-smelly and biodegradable oils are not expensive at all. What's $10-15 after paying many hundreds for the gun?
As an update : I will NOT be trying any plant based , bio CLP's and any older plant based CLP ones I have will be discarded ... I am seeing too many updated reviews regarding the occurrence and thus likelihood of plant based CLP's gumming up on stored weapons . It appears the culprit is oxidation of the plant based lubes on weapons when exposed to air . As much as I liked Ballistol I had a small vial NOT exposed to air turn into a brown , gummed up clump in the vial plus I've had issues with Fog Lube on a clean stored gun where the action got seriously sluggish . I will now confine my search to relatively safe , synthetic , low odor CLP's (ditto for grease) for my guns ...
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
As an update : I will NOT be trying any plant based , bio CLP's and any older plant based CLP ones I have will be discarded ... I am seeing too many updated reviews regarding the occurrence and thus likelihood of plant based CLP's gumming up on stored weapons . It appears the culprit is oxidation of the plant based lubes on weapons when exposed to air . As much as I liked Ballistol I had a small vial NOT exposed to air turn into a brown , gummed up clump in the vial plus I've had issues with Fog Lube on a clean stored gun where the action got seriously sluggish . I will now confine my search to relatively safe , synthetic , low odor CLP's (ditto for grease) for my guns ...
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As an update : I will NOT be trying any plant based , bio CLP's and any older plant based CLP ones I have will be discarded ... I am seeing too many updated reviews regarding the occurrence and thus likelihood of plant based CLP's gumming up on stored weapons . It appears the culprit is oxidation of the plant based lubes on weapons when exposed to air . As much as I liked Ballistol I had a small vial NOT exposed to air turn into a brown , gummed up clump in the vial plus I've had issues with Fog Lube on a clean stored gun where the action got seriously sluggish . I will now confine my search to relatively safe , synthetic , low odor CLP's (ditto for grease) for my guns ...
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Frog Lube is big around here, and pushed by all the gun shops...because...you know...if SEALs use it, it must be good...
So all the wanna-be guys buy it...
No thanks.
So all the wanna-be guys buy it...
No thanks.
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Frog Lube is big around here, and pushed by all the gun shops...because...you know...if SEALs use it, it must be good...
So all the wanna-be guys buy it...
No thanks.
Fraud Lube is big everywhere because it's well hyped. That, and as you mentioned the whole Navy Seal thing. People have bought into it hook, line, and sinker. It's nothing but overpriced bio based plant oil, with some mint fragrance added to cover the stink when it goes rotten, like ALL plant based oils do. I remember when I was a kid, and flew those old Cox control line airplanes with the .049 engines in them. We used to call them "gas powered". But they ran on alcohol and Nitro Methane. They put Castor Oil in the fuel to lubricate the engine. When you were done flying you had to wash the whole plane off with denatured alcohol in a spray bottle. Especially the engine. If you didn't, and just flew it and put it away, in a few days the whole plane turned into a sticky, gooey mess, that was all but impossible to clean. You make that mistake only once.
The same thing happens over time with guns that people put these plant based oils on. It just takes longer. They sell because people have become paranoid about the toxicity of petro based oils and lubes. And have become a bunch of P.C. "greenies", that think 90% of everything they come in contact with is going to kill them. Again, more hype that people have bought into over the years. They act like you're going to die if you touch anything they drill into the ground for. I've used nothing but petro based oils and lubes on my guns since 1963, when I got my first .22 when I was 11. I'm still here. And I'll go way out on a limb and say when I go, it's not going to be from being exposed to petroleum. Now, if you want to argue plant based cooking oils and animal fats in my arteries over the last 64 years, that's another story.
Frog Lube is big around here, and pushed by all the gun shops...because...you know...if SEALs use it, it must be good...
So all the wanna-be guys buy it...
No thanks.
Fraud Lube is big everywhere because it's well hyped. That, and as you mentioned the whole Navy Seal thing. People have bought into it hook, line, and sinker. It's nothing but overpriced bio based plant oil, with some mint fragrance added to cover the stink when it goes rotten, like ALL plant based oils do. I remember when I was a kid, and flew those old Cox control line airplanes with the .049 engines in them. We used to call them "gas powered". But they ran on alcohol and Nitro Methane. They put Castor Oil in the fuel to lubricate the engine. When you were done flying you had to wash the whole plane off with denatured alcohol in a spray bottle. Especially the engine. If you didn't, and just flew it and put it away, in a few days the whole plane turned into a sticky, gooey mess, that was all but impossible to clean. You make that mistake only once.
The same thing happens over time with guns that people put these plant based oils on. It just takes longer. They sell because people have become paranoid about the toxicity of petro based oils and lubes. And have become a bunch of P.C. "greenies", that think 90% of everything they come in contact with is going to kill them. Again, more hype that people have bought into over the years. They act like you're going to die if you touch anything they drill into the ground for. I've used nothing but petro based oils and lubes on my guns since 1963, when I got my first .22 when I was 11. I'm still here. And I'll go way out on a limb and say when I go, it's not going to be from being exposed to petroleum. Now, if you want to argue plant based cooking oils and animal fats in my arteries over the last 64 years, that's another story.
I don't really care what people use as there is 98329310 lubes out there that will work just fine in a firearm, but Froglube works if you understand that you don't have to apply it like a grease. I bought some a while ago, guess I'm "wanna be" lol. Bought some on a whim to see what the hype was about. It didn't gum up a Les Baer with the 1.5 package for an IDPA season. Granted I didn't slather it up in the firing pin channel like you see some morons report out there. Didn't gum up one of the ARs I put together that I ran in a class either.
Generally, I use weaponshield but I've never understood the criticism of the mentality of not [censored] where you eat so to speak.
Generally, I use weaponshield but I've never understood the criticism of the mentality of not [censored] where you eat so to speak.
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Bilt460 and others : I want to start a non-plant based firearms CLP oil list here . CLP's can be synthetic or synblend oils with the main feature is they are non - plant based and do NOT gum up in storage:
*Corrosion-X
*Eezox
*Breakfree CLP
*G96 Synthetic Oil
*Super Lube Synthetic Oil
*FP10
*Lucas Gun Oil
*ALG Go-Juice
*SLIP 2000 EWG (non - plant based ?)
*Weaponshield (non - plant based ?)
*M-Pro7 (non - plant based ?)
*Hoppes Elite Sythentic Gun Oil
"Friends do not let friends use bio-plant based CLP's" ... Add your recommendations to the list !
*Corrosion-X
*Eezox
*Breakfree CLP
*G96 Synthetic Oil
*Super Lube Synthetic Oil
*FP10
*Lucas Gun Oil
*ALG Go-Juice
*SLIP 2000 EWG (non - plant based ?)
*Weaponshield (non - plant based ?)
*M-Pro7 (non - plant based ?)
*Hoppes Elite Sythentic Gun Oil
"Friends do not let friends use bio-plant based CLP's" ... Add your recommendations to the list !
Slip 2000 and Weapon Shield are not plant based.
A point worth noting. No one is saying that plant based lubricants don't work. Many do, and work well. The problem is the fact they go rancid, and can turn a stored weapon into smelly, gooey stinky mess. You won't have any of those issues with petroleum based oils and greases. And wind up with a better lube in the process. And no, you're not going to get sick and die doing so.
Originally Posted By: JDM396
So in terms of froglube, anyone have any reference to data that shows a rate of decay? Just curious.
I know Fireclean, which has the same graphic breakdown as Crisco Canola Oil, used to have a "use by" date on it. I heard it no longer does because it was negatively effecting sales.
So in terms of froglube, anyone have any reference to data that shows a rate of decay? Just curious.
I know Fireclean, which has the same graphic breakdown as Crisco Canola Oil, used to have a "use by" date on it. I heard it no longer does because it was negatively effecting sales.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: JDM396
So in terms of froglube, anyone have any reference to data that shows a rate of decay? Just curious.
I know Fireclean, which has the same graphic breakdown as Crisco Canola Oil, used to have a "use by" date on it. I heard it no longer does because it was negatively effecting sales.
Never heard of it. Back to what I asked though, does anyone have anything of reference? Just curious as to when some of my firearms are going to smell like a compost heap?
Originally Posted By: JDM396
So in terms of froglube, anyone have any reference to data that shows a rate of decay? Just curious.
I know Fireclean, which has the same graphic breakdown as Crisco Canola Oil, used to have a "use by" date on it. I heard it no longer does because it was negatively effecting sales.
Never heard of it. Back to what I asked though, does anyone have anything of reference? Just curious as to when some of my firearms are going to smell like a compost heap?
Bilt460 : Good points - true . When I wa using Ballistol (as an example of a plant - based oil) all was ok when I used it sparingly and was shooting , cleaning , shooting some more on a regular basis . Then I got laid up a few months with health issues (ok now) and when I pulled out my needle oiler of ballistol and one of my guns and found this gummy , brown nmess and couldn't understand what had taken place ? Because of that episode it is now my preference to stay with synthetic or synthetic blend non - plant based oils... Especially for weapons which may not be used for a while !
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Bilt460 : Good points - true . When I wa using Ballistol (as an example of a plant - based oil) all was ok when I used it sparingly and was shooting , cleaning , shooting some more on a regular basis. Then I got laid up a few months with health issues (ok now) and when I pulled out my needle oiler of ballistol and one of my guns and found this gummy , brown nmess and couldn't understand what had taken place ? Because of that episode it is now my preference to stay with synthetic or synthetic blend non - plant based oils... Especially for weapons which may not be used for a while !
You bring up another good point. Most of the guys who use and rave about this stuff are doing as you did. Shooting, cleaning, and shooting again on a regular basis. Under those conditions the stuff is constantly being cleaned off and replaced with fresh. Just like you consume the perishables in your fridge, and replace them.
The problem with this junk starts when you store a weapon after using it. That's when it goes rancid, and congeals into a gummy, stinky mess. Again just like fresh perishables would if you left them in your fridge for 6 months. My argument is why use it in the first place? Especially when there are so many petroleum lubricants out there that give as good or better lubrication, and won't turn to garbage over time. Using plant based lubes with a limited shelf life makes no sense, because there is zero advantage to it.
Bilt460 : Good points - true . When I wa using Ballistol (as an example of a plant - based oil) all was ok when I used it sparingly and was shooting , cleaning , shooting some more on a regular basis. Then I got laid up a few months with health issues (ok now) and when I pulled out my needle oiler of ballistol and one of my guns and found this gummy , brown nmess and couldn't understand what had taken place ? Because of that episode it is now my preference to stay with synthetic or synthetic blend non - plant based oils... Especially for weapons which may not be used for a while !
You bring up another good point. Most of the guys who use and rave about this stuff are doing as you did. Shooting, cleaning, and shooting again on a regular basis. Under those conditions the stuff is constantly being cleaned off and replaced with fresh. Just like you consume the perishables in your fridge, and replace them.
The problem with this junk starts when you store a weapon after using it. That's when it goes rancid, and congeals into a gummy, stinky mess. Again just like fresh perishables would if you left them in your fridge for 6 months. My argument is why use it in the first place? Especially when there are so many petroleum lubricants out there that give as good or better lubrication, and won't turn to garbage over time. Using plant based lubes with a limited shelf life makes no sense, because there is zero advantage to it.
Originally Posted By: JDM396
Just curious as to when some of my firearms are going to smell like a compost heap?
They never will if you don't use it.
Just curious as to when some of my firearms are going to smell like a compost heap?
They never will if you don't use it.
Originally Posted By: JDM396
Never heard of it.
Here you go. Read all about it.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/09/13/yes-its-true-fireclean-is-veg-oil/
Never heard of it.
Here you go. Read all about it.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/09/13/yes-its-true-fireclean-is-veg-oil/
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: JDM396
Never heard of it.
Here you go. Read all about it.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/09/13/yes-its-true-fireclean-is-veg-oil/
Not sure why you insist on talking about Fireclean, is it chemically identical to Froglube?
Originally Posted By: JDM396
Never heard of it.
Here you go. Read all about it.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/09/13/yes-its-true-fireclean-is-veg-oil/
Not sure why you insist on talking about Fireclean, is it chemically identical to Froglube?
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: JDM396
Just curious as to when some of my firearms are going to smell like a compost heap?
They never will if you don't use it.
Could be, since it is an absolute in your opinion, I just would like some evidence or something to reference as to how much time I have?
Originally Posted By: JDM396
Just curious as to when some of my firearms are going to smell like a compost heap?
They never will if you don't use it.
Could be, since it is an absolute in your opinion, I just would like some evidence or something to reference as to how much time I have?
Originally Posted By: JDM396
I just would like some evidence or something to reference as to how much time I have?
You're never going to find what you are looking for. Go to the grocery store and buy a pound of fresh tomatoes. Now tell me when they will go rotten and start to stink? 3 days? A week? 10 days? More? Less? The point being all plant based oils and lubricants have a shelf life. They WILL go bad. It's only a question of when. If you are concerned about it, which you obviously are, avoid them and you'll never have the problem.
I just would like some evidence or something to reference as to how much time I have?
You're never going to find what you are looking for. Go to the grocery store and buy a pound of fresh tomatoes. Now tell me when they will go rotten and start to stink? 3 days? A week? 10 days? More? Less? The point being all plant based oils and lubricants have a shelf life. They WILL go bad. It's only a question of when. If you are concerned about it, which you obviously are, avoid them and you'll never have the problem.
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