New Battleships

[john_pifer]

Yeah, this is really not that hard to understand. I’ve heard hand wringing in the media from the talking heads for years about the deficit in ship production we have, compared to the Chinese.

That’s why I’m surprised that we have a few folks who think these won’t be built.

It’s been a known issue for years - definitely over a decade.

Now, we’re finally taking some steps to address it, and doing what we should do, which is to enlist the S. Koreans to help us do it more efficiently.

Now, will the final product look exactly like what’s on the drawing board? Maybe not. Historically there have been many examples of projects being pared down from concept to reality.

But I have no doubt that they will get built, and will be impressive.

We’re living in interesting times (that old Chinese curse), for sure.

 

[Danno]

Could you explain "certain biases"?

Nope.

 

[4wd]

Yeah, this is really not that hard to understand. I’ve heard hand wringing in the media from the talking heads for years about the deficit in ship production we have, compared to the Chinese.

That’s why I’m surprised that we have a few folks who think these won’t be built.

It’s been a known issue for years - definitely over a decade.

Now, we’re finally taking some steps to address it, and doing what we should do, which is to enlist the S. Koreans to help us do it more efficiently.

Now, will the final product look exactly like what’s on the drawing board? Maybe not. Historically there have been many examples of projects being pared down from concept to reality.

But I have no doubt that they will get built, and will be impressive.

We’re living in interesting times (that old Chinese curse), for sure.

Yep - you start doing business with major ship builders - and soon you’ll know what a Change Order is …

 

[SC Maintenance]

I was under the impression that the plan was smaller, but more ships in order to spread out any vulnerabilities.

I have no clue - but the specs on the website make this ship twice as long and 5X the displacement of the current cruisers. So again - miscommunication or something else?

 

[y_p_w]

I have no clue - but the specs on the website make this ship twice as long and 5X the displacement of the current cruisers. So again - miscommunication or something else?

I'm saying that's what the US Navy was proposing. The current plan would seem more like something that's being forced on them by civilian leadership.

 

[ammolab]

Thought it was april fool's day for a second or 2.

My stepson who is in the military says it will never be built.

My thoughts: Never Happen

 

[FZ1]

Nope.

Figures.

 

[FZ1]

I'm saying that's what the US Navy was proposing. The current plan would seem more like something that's being forced on them by civilian leadership.

Agree, this "Sitting Duck" is more of an idea than a real plan. It would be waste of our defense dollars.

 

[FZ1]

Yeah, this is really not that hard to understand. I’ve heard hand wringing in the media from the talking heads for years about the deficit in ship production we have, compared to the Chinese.

That’s why I’m surprised that we have a few folks who think these won’t be built.

It’s been a known issue for years - definitely over a decade.

Now, we’re finally taking some steps to address it, and doing what we should do, which is to enlist the S. Koreans to help us do it more efficiently.

Now, will the final product look exactly like what’s on the drawing board? Maybe not. Historically there have been many examples of projects being pared down from concept to reality.

But I have no doubt that they will get built, and will be impressive.

We’re living in interesting times (that old Chinese curse), for sure.

Well, duh, there's a reason we didn't build Battleships in the preceding decades. The Military experts believe they are obsolete.

 

[Astro14]

Well, duh, there's a reason we didn't build Battleships in the preceding decades. The Military experts believe they are obsolete.

How is this ship obsolete?

Did you just ignore all the facts, all the posts describing this ship, and decide, on the basis of the a one word description, that we are building the Bismarck all over again?

So, how is this obsolete?

 

[Ranger83]

“We always have to play away games.”
John Parshall, author of “Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway”

 

[4wd]

Well, duh, there's a reason we didn't build Battleships in the preceding decades. The Military experts believe they are obsolete.

Actually - We don’t build much of anything on the marine front … certainly not efficiently …

 

[john_pifer]

How is this ship obsolete?

Did you just ignore all the facts, all the posts describing this ship, and decide, on the basis of the a one word description, that we are building the Bismarck all over again?

So, how is this obsolete?

Yeah, he’s ignoring everything you and others have said, and pretty much just trolling at this point.

 

[FZ1]

“We always have to play away games.”
John Parshall, author of “Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway”

Right. The Battle of Midway illustrated the superiority of air power over sea power. Air Power sunk the Japanese carriers at Midway.

 

[Danno]

Figures.

Lol, I'm not a thread killer.

 

[FZ1]

How is this ship obsolete?

Did you just ignore all the facts, all the posts describing this ship, and decide, on the basis of the a one word description, that we are building the Bismarck all over again?

So, how is this obsolete?

Too Expensive and too Vulnerable to attack from Air....... From Sea.....From Under Sea.....and from Land. Numerous articles online supporting this Battleship Obsolete opinion. Actually, looking online, to defend from the incoming, the Majority of writers agree that Battleships are obsolete, "bypassed by technology" was one phrase. All interested can quickly look up articles online. Actually, I would be interested if you can find an article by a military writer explaining why battleships are not obsolete. I simply believe our defense dollars could be better spent. Hard to understand the reaction, among adults, over a simple difference of pro American opinions on defense spending.

 

[FZ1]

Lol, I'm not a thread kil

Yeah, he’s ignoring everything you and others have said, and pretty much just trolling at this point.

False accusation. Feel free to counter, with real information, any of the opinion points I expressed.

 

[Exhaustgases]

All money wasting and no need for it, $ that could build up SS, and really do free medical and eliminate property taxes etc.
We already have the best of the best for war. Listen to JP on redacted or even Steven Greer, and there are plenty others as well.

 

[FZ1]

Lol, I'm not a thread killer.

False accusation. Feel free to criticize any of my opinion points, with real information.

 

[ripcord]

Too Expensive and too Vulnerable to attack from Air....... From Sea.....From Under Sea.....and from Land. Numerous articles online supporting this Battleship Obsolete opinion. Actually, looking online, to defend from the incoming, the Majority of writers agree that Battleships are obsolete, "bypassed by technology" was one phrase. All interested can quickly look up articles online. Actually, I would be interested if you can find an article by a military writer explaining why battleships are not obsolete. I simply believe our defense dollars could be better spent. Hard to understand the reaction, among adults, over a simple difference of pro American opinions on defense spending.

We keep telling you that these are not really "battleships" but you're not listening. No 16" guns. Please stop imagining that they are in any way similar to the WWII vintage Iowa class ships. These will similar in function to existing ships, except bigger than the current classes and will be armed with missiles, primarily. They will help replace a soon to be retired class of heavy missile cruiser (Ticonderoga) and also have the capability of using more advanced weapons systems in the future that the old class of ships cannot.