*New Amsoil SSO 0w-30
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Originally Posted By: lexrx3
I went from 5w 30 synthetic (PP) to Amsoil SSO 0w 30 and absolutely saw an increase of 1.5 to 2 mpg. My car has an "average mpg" gauge and I drive the same route daily. Without a doubt this increase was real. Without the average mpg gauge I probably wouldn't have been able to really judge the increase though.
MPG did increase on the average of 1.5-2 mpg but being conservative I'll just say 2% on the average when having less highways miles. This was from the Amsoil 5w-30(ASL) to the Amsoil 0W-30(TSO). Also Amsoil in both gear and transmission oil. The TSO and SSO oil is just a better built oil. No cold starts here and the TSO gave instant startup with less battery wear and less strain on the starter. It was a no brainer for my application. Engines and condition may differ.
I went from 5w 30 synthetic (PP) to Amsoil SSO 0w 30 and absolutely saw an increase of 1.5 to 2 mpg. My car has an "average mpg" gauge and I drive the same route daily. Without a doubt this increase was real. Without the average mpg gauge I probably wouldn't have been able to really judge the increase though.
MPG did increase on the average of 1.5-2 mpg but being conservative I'll just say 2% on the average when having less highways miles. This was from the Amsoil 5w-30(ASL) to the Amsoil 0W-30(TSO). Also Amsoil in both gear and transmission oil. The TSO and SSO oil is just a better built oil. No cold starts here and the TSO gave instant startup with less battery wear and less strain on the starter. It was a no brainer for my application. Engines and condition may differ.
It looks like the SSO increases MPG's in some engines and not others. Consider this, some of the MPG increase may be negated due to a smoother, more willing engine. This will cause (in my experience) one to unintentionally drive less economically than normaly.
Originally Posted By: harry j
It looks like the SSO increases MPG's in some engines and not others. Consider this, some of the MPG increase may be negated due to a smoother, more willing engine. This will cause (in my experience) one to unintentionally drive less economically than normaly.
That is the case with most oils. Calc. mpg is very difficult to do bc it's tough to control the variables.
It looks like the SSO increases MPG's in some engines and not others. Consider this, some of the MPG increase may be negated due to a smoother, more willing engine. This will cause (in my experience) one to unintentionally drive less economically than normaly.
That is the case with most oils. Calc. mpg is very difficult to do bc it's tough to control the variables.
I agree about the variables, but only in the short term. The weight of many fuel fill ups and calculations, will indeed, show a viable MPG figure. For instance, I recently completed a page in my gas usage log. There were 33 entries covering 12,300 miles. The cumulitive average calculated out to be 39.8 MPG.
Originally Posted By: yota4me
Originally Posted By: yota4me
My results with SSO (&quest for max mpg)thus far, as posted on another forum:
Originally Posted By: yota4me
My results with SSO (&quest for max mpg)thus far, as posted on another forum:
yota4me2;1355900 said:
Good show Steve! I can't comment on the EAA, since none is currently available for my '93 Civic, but the SSO, it definately works in my car as well as your truck. Did you make an effort to drive the same as you always did B4SSO? Did you notice a more willing engine after SSO installation? I initially found that I unintentionally found myself going faster than I wanted to. The engine ran so much smoother than before, turbine like if you will. If you can rein it in, greater MPG's will be your reward.
Originally Posted By: harry j
Good show Steve! I can't comment on the EAA, since none is currently available for my '93 Civic, but the SSO, it definately works in my car as well as your truck. Did you make an effort to drive the same as you always did B4SSO? Did you notice a more willing engine after SSO installation? I initially found that I unintentionally found myself going faster than I wanted to. The engine ran so much smoother than before, turbine like if you will. If you can rein it in, greater MPG's will be your reward.
I assume these questions are directed at me.
Same basic driving style, routes, etc. before & after SSO/EAA. Haven't noticed a more willing engine, just a more efficient one.
Good show Steve! I can't comment on the EAA, since none is currently available for my '93 Civic, but the SSO, it definately works in my car as well as your truck. Did you make an effort to drive the same as you always did B4SSO? Did you notice a more willing engine after SSO installation? I initially found that I unintentionally found myself going faster than I wanted to. The engine ran so much smoother than before, turbine like if you will. If you can rein it in, greater MPG's will be your reward.
I assume these questions are directed at me.
Same basic driving style, routes, etc. before & after SSO/EAA. Haven't noticed a more willing engine, just a more efficient one.
Besides the SSO, did you use Amsoil in the transmission as well?
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
Originally Posted By: harry j
Besides the SSO, did you use Amsoil in the transmission as well?
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
Using Amsoil SVG 75W-90 in front/rear differentials & transfer case. Toyota ATF-WS (synthetic) in automatic transmission. Haven't got around to flushing/changing PS fluid to Amsoil ATF.
Besides the SSO, did you use Amsoil in the transmission as well?
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
Using Amsoil SVG 75W-90 in front/rear differentials & transfer case. Toyota ATF-WS (synthetic) in automatic transmission. Haven't got around to flushing/changing PS fluid to Amsoil ATF.
Originally Posted By: yota4me
Originally Posted By: harry j
Besides the SSO, did you use Amsoil in the transmission as well?
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
Using Amsoil SVG 75W-90 in front/rear differentials & transfer case. Toyota ATF-WS (synthetic) in automatic transmission. Haven't got around to flushing/changing PS fluid to Amsoil ATF.
Do you have magnetic drain plugs in your differentials? If so, how much metal do you see now as compared to the previous lube changes? Is the Toyota synthetic trans fluid as good as the Amsoil ATF?
I was just thinking, do you know of anyone that has tried the SSO in a standard type transmission?
Originally Posted By: harry j
Besides the SSO, did you use Amsoil in the transmission as well?
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
Using Amsoil SVG 75W-90 in front/rear differentials & transfer case. Toyota ATF-WS (synthetic) in automatic transmission. Haven't got around to flushing/changing PS fluid to Amsoil ATF.
Do you have magnetic drain plugs in your differentials? If so, how much metal do you see now as compared to the previous lube changes? Is the Toyota synthetic trans fluid as good as the Amsoil ATF?
I was just thinking, do you know of anyone that has tried the SSO in a standard type transmission?
Originally Posted By: buster
You're loosing a lot of money though by draining $10qt oil out so soon. It can handle longer drains. Go for it!
While I have no doubt hat the SSO can be left in for a longer time, I am really interested in keeping the wear metals low. After all, isn't it those wear metals that eat your engine alive?
With close to 252,000 miles, the engine runs like new, no leaks, no oil burn.
I wish you hadn't given up on the SSO, one crankcase full will not give you all the benefits. It is more like a process than an "instant" here it is.
You're loosing a lot of money though by draining $10qt oil out so soon. It can handle longer drains. Go for it!
While I have no doubt hat the SSO can be left in for a longer time, I am really interested in keeping the wear metals low. After all, isn't it those wear metals that eat your engine alive?
With close to 252,000 miles, the engine runs like new, no leaks, no oil burn.
I wish you hadn't given up on the SSO, one crankcase full will not give you all the benefits. It is more like a process than an "instant" here it is.
Hey guys...quick question. My '05 SRT-4 turbo'd 4-cyl calls for 5w-30. Is this oil ok for it?
I have about 405 wheel horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
I have about 405 wheel horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
Originally Posted By: Dookie
Hey guys...quick question. My '05 SRT-4 turbo'd 4-cyl calls for 5w-30. Is this oil ok for it?
I have about 405 wheel horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
Yes SSO would work great in your engine. I see your in nevada so your in a really hot climate. You may want to consider Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40. It has a very strong add pack and works great in high hp engines.
Hey guys...quick question. My '05 SRT-4 turbo'd 4-cyl calls for 5w-30. Is this oil ok for it?
I have about 405 wheel horsepower.
Thanks in advance!
Yes SSO would work great in your engine. I see your in nevada so your in a really hot climate. You may want to consider Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40. It has a very strong add pack and works great in high hp engines.
Originally Posted By: harry j
Originally Posted By: yota4me
Originally Posted By: harry j
Besides the SSO, did you use Amsoil in the transmission as well?
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
Using Amsoil SVG 75W-90 in front/rear differentials & transfer case. Toyota ATF-WS (synthetic) in automatic transmission. Haven't got around to flushing/changing PS fluid to Amsoil ATF.
Do you have magnetic drain plugs in your differentials? If so, how much metal do you see now as compared to the previous lube changes? Is the Toyota synthetic trans fluid as good as the Amsoil ATF?
I was just thinking, do you know of anyone that has tried the SSO in a standard type transmission?
Don't know if they're magnetized plugs or not. Haven't changed/drained the Amsoil gear lube, so can't compare--wouldn't be fair anyway because original conventional gear lube would have had break in debris.
Don't know the difference between Toyota synthetic ATF & Amsoil ATF, just know Amsoil currently has no recommended replacement.
Don't know anyone using SSO in transmission. Amsoil does recommend it in some applications, such as in transaxle of my 92 civic & Wife's 92 Accord. Next transaxle fluid change will probably be SSO.
Originally Posted By: yota4me
Originally Posted By: harry j
Besides the SSO, did you use Amsoil in the transmission as well?
I think that using both will up the MPG more than one alone. The more efficient engine will put out more HP, which will translate into higher MPG's... if you can keep your foot out of it.
Using Amsoil SVG 75W-90 in front/rear differentials & transfer case. Toyota ATF-WS (synthetic) in automatic transmission. Haven't got around to flushing/changing PS fluid to Amsoil ATF.
Do you have magnetic drain plugs in your differentials? If so, how much metal do you see now as compared to the previous lube changes? Is the Toyota synthetic trans fluid as good as the Amsoil ATF?
I was just thinking, do you know of anyone that has tried the SSO in a standard type transmission?
Don't know if they're magnetized plugs or not. Haven't changed/drained the Amsoil gear lube, so can't compare--wouldn't be fair anyway because original conventional gear lube would have had break in debris.
Don't know the difference between Toyota synthetic ATF & Amsoil ATF, just know Amsoil currently has no recommended replacement.
Don't know anyone using SSO in transmission. Amsoil does recommend it in some applications, such as in transaxle of my 92 civic & Wife's 92 Accord. Next transaxle fluid change will probably be SSO.
I look forward to your impressions on the SSO transaxle change.
A while back I had the headgasket go out in my Civic. I was getting soot in the antifreeze for quite a while. It seems to have been flushed out now, I change the fluid out about every 6 months.
Potassium keeps showing up in the SSO. Do you think that this low level of Potassium could just be the residual from the head gasket failure?
A while back I had the headgasket go out in my Civic. I was getting soot in the antifreeze for quite a while. It seems to have been flushed out now, I change the fluid out about every 6 months.
Potassium keeps showing up in the SSO. Do you think that this low level of Potassium could just be the residual from the head gasket failure?
Originally Posted By: harry j
I look forward to your impressions on the SSO transaxle change.
A while back I had the headgasket go out in my Civic. I was getting soot in the antifreeze for quite a while. It seems to have been flushed out now, I change the fluid out about every 6 months.
Potassium keeps showing up in the SSO. Do you think that this low level of Potassium could just be the residual from the head gasket failure?
I'm no expert on the matter, but, IMO you've still got a leak. Head been checked for warp? I'd probably check torque on head bolts, use propylene glycol coolant & maybe coolant seal tabs.
I look forward to your impressions on the SSO transaxle change.
A while back I had the headgasket go out in my Civic. I was getting soot in the antifreeze for quite a while. It seems to have been flushed out now, I change the fluid out about every 6 months.
Potassium keeps showing up in the SSO. Do you think that this low level of Potassium could just be the residual from the head gasket failure?
I'm no expert on the matter, but, IMO you've still got a leak. Head been checked for warp? I'd probably check torque on head bolts, use propylene glycol coolant & maybe coolant seal tabs.
Gas in the SSO, was knocking the TBN down. After fixing the gas problem, the TBN has not fallen as much.
Now to direct my attention to the Potassium problem. Those were all good suggestions for a fix. I am due for a valve adjustment soon, I will try to talk the mechanic into retorqueing the head bolts. The head was checked and found true. Now I wish I had it milled a few thou for greater thermal efficiency.
Amsoil offers a propylene glycol type antifreeze, I want to try it but Honda is pretty adamant that their stuff should be used.
The SSO keeps the wear metals at a low level (along with the EAO)
and that is what I am primarily interested in.
Now to direct my attention to the Potassium problem. Those were all good suggestions for a fix. I am due for a valve adjustment soon, I will try to talk the mechanic into retorqueing the head bolts. The head was checked and found true. Now I wish I had it milled a few thou for greater thermal efficiency.
Amsoil offers a propylene glycol type antifreeze, I want to try it but Honda is pretty adamant that their stuff should be used.
The SSO keeps the wear metals at a low level (along with the EAO)
and that is what I am primarily interested in.
I'm sure everyone knows this but I think it is worth repeating;
Less contaminents in the oil, will cause less secondary wear particles.
The combination of the SSO and the EAO, will keep wear particles lower than other oil/filter combinations and greatly extend engine longevity. The engines performance will not deteriorate as much during this period.
Less contaminents in the oil, will cause less secondary wear particles.
The combination of the SSO and the EAO, will keep wear particles lower than other oil/filter combinations and greatly extend engine longevity. The engines performance will not deteriorate as much during this period.
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