NASA's Electical Standards of Workmanship

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I read through four pages of that and still no info on whether or not to twist the wires together before taping them up.
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Interesting document, thanks.

I'm a little surprised any soldering is allowed on stranded wires for the reason they state below. But, coax connectors are almost always solder pot they I guess they have to allow for it.


13.3 Assembly of Solder-Type Connectors
Measures taken for stress relief of soldered connectors shall be sufficient to assure that all wire bending will take place in a flexible, unwicked part of the conductor (Requirement). In all instances, stranded conductors will experience solder-wicking during attachment. The conductor will be rigid up to the point where the wicking stops and flexible beyond it. Wire movement concentrates stress at the point where wicking stops, and normal harness handling can produce conductor fatigue and failure.
 
Originally Posted By: yonyon
I read through four pages of that and still no info on whether or not to twist the wires together before taping them up.
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I couldn't find the instructions for wire nuts either
 
What were NASA's standards of workmanship for the attachment and inspection of heat shield tiles?
What about solid rocket booster joint O-rings?
In the latter case, I guess they should have listened to the OEM engineers.
I find it ironic that NASA was so exacting in its standards for wiring joints, and so cavalier in those things that endangered and killed two crews.
Good to know that all of the wire joints held up, though.
 
What happened is reality.
NASA failed badly in protecting its crews in flights during the shuttle program.
How many crews were lost in flights of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs?
How many were lost with the shuttle?
Sorry you find that offensive.
Sorry you think that it was I, not NASA, who {censored} your thread.
Merry Christmas to you as well.
 
Unfortunately, in an EXTREMELY complicated space vehicle-occasionally something can go wrong. The o-ring failure was avoidable-but unfortunately hindsight is always 20/20!
 
@fdcg27:

You do know that these items are built, and assembled by PRIVATE contacting companies like Rockwell, Lockheed, ect...PRIVATE companies under contract to the gov't.

Merry Christmas.

While NASA may have not reviewed the work perfectly the PRIVATE contractors created the mistakes in the first place. So my guess is if the gov't hadn't had any involvement many more mistakes would have been made.
 
Antiqueshell, you sure do hate PRIVATE enterprise, don't you? I saw your posts in the thread about autoworkers' clothing styles and noticed that you like BIG government.

You would have been right at home in the old USSR snd the old Cuba. Fortunately they have learned from bitter experience that BIG government does not work. These lessons were lost on some of the Democrats in the States and the socialists we have in Canada.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
What happened is reality.
NASA failed badly in protecting its crews in flights during the shuttle program.
How many crews were lost in flights of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs?
How many were lost with the shuttle?
Sorry you find that offensive.
Sorry you think that it was I, not NASA, who {censored} your thread.
Merry Christmas to you as well.


Cost of exploration, how many sailors were lost at sea exploring the worlds oceans from say a short period, 1400-1700?

When your on the cutting edge, or anywhere for that matter its impossible to be 100% accident free.
 
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Originally Posted By: George7941
Antiqueshell, you sure do hate PRIVATE enterprise, don't you? I saw your posts in the thread about autoworkers' clothing styles and noticed that you like BIG government.

You would have been right at home in the old USSR snd the old Cuba. Fortunately they have learned from bitter experience that BIG government does not work. These lessons were lost on some of the Democrats in the States and the socialists we have in Canada.
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I've made this point before: nearly every complex machine (e.g. Shuttle, F/A-18) has unanticipated failure modes that have to be corrected after experience in service. For the Hornet, look at the little blade-shaped angle brackets on the LERX...not antennas...vortex deflectors....added early in the airplane's life as tail structure cracks were discovered...

The Shuttle was an order of magnitude more complex than an airplane...and as those unanticipated issues were discovered, the method by which they were addressed (or ignored) was THE causal factor in the two shuttle accidents.

The standards of workmanship at NASA were extremely high...but the risk assessment and failure analysis pre- and post-flight were done poorly.

The lowest bidder private contractor built every single one of our space vehicles...and they were all built to an exacting set of standards that far exceeded any other enterprize, including aviation. To blame the workmanship, or the builder, is specious...and wrong.

There is a difference between workmanship and a safety culture/process...but that difference is lost on many folks whose overly simplistic view is "shuttle broke, ergo NASA builds [censored] stuff" when that is simply not the case. The causes are not workmanship, or technology, but in fact are much more institutional/systemic and political in nature...but realizing that requires thoughtful understanding of what happened at NASA to change their culture and methodology of analyzing and addressing problems.
 
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In the case of the O-ring failure, the Morton-Thiokol engineers told NASA not to launch.
NASA officials browbeat M-T management into saying that a launch at such cold temperatures would be okay.
Many of us saw the result live on TV that morning.
Loss of heat shield tiles during launch was a known problem.
No means of inspection or repair in orbit existed.
Tiles were lost in exactly the wrong place on one launch, and we all saw the results on TV.
It isn't that the machine as a whole was junk, it's rather that NASA's safety culture seems to have been lacking.
Contrast the flight record of the shuttle with the flight record of every previous American manned space program.
It might also be noted that the Apollo stack had considerably better peformance than the shuttle.
This is why I found the original post personally offensive.
Here is NASA being portrayed as having incredible demanding requirements for wiring, but this same agency allowed flight risks that were unacceptable, with fatal results.
In neither case did the contractors who built the shuttle as well as the SRBs fail.
NASA took risks that could have been avoided.
 
Originally Posted By: George7941
Antiqueshell, you sure do hate PRIVATE enterprise, don't you? I saw your posts in the thread about autoworkers' clothing styles and noticed that you like BIG government.

You would have been right at home in the old USSR snd the old Cuba. Fortunately they have learned from bitter experience that BIG government does not work. These lessons were lost on some of the Democrats in the States and the socialists we have in Canada.


WRONG.....

I distrust BOTH government AND business.

However I do see that the only way that we can keep BOTH in check is by having one balance out the other.
 
Wow, this thread really went in a different direction than intended. You'd think we were discussing Harbor Freight tools.

Any thoughts on splicing, proper crimp technique, or heat shrink tubing?
 
Tom - I think it was a great find...and I saved the links for future reference...not that any of my cars meet aerospace requirements...I would like to know the best way to do things...I have been crimping for cars because I heard that soldering can crack under vibration. Crimping is easier...

Cheers,
 
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