My Beloved Prius is a Goner.

[Pop_Rivit]

Glad to hear you're OK. Cars are just things that can be replaced, people can't.

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Women really are terrible driver for the most part. My wife even agrees!


It appears that neither you nor your wife are correct. Here are some quick statistics on accident rates/fatalities by gender, broken down by age group. Males are involved in far more accidents, and those accidents are usually much more severe than those which involve female drivers. It's why males (where not constrained by state law) have higher insurance rates than females.

For comparison, here is the gender split for the same age groups.

 

[bigjl]

One thing with statistics they can prove whatever you want.

Look at the number of men that drive for a living.

A truer picture would be found if you could compare the number of accidents with number of hours or miles driven.

Very few women drive for a living compared to men.

In my old NHS Trust there were actually very few accidents in the time I was there.

But more women had RTC's than men, despite there being ten times as many men in the job as women.

The biggest difference was in the kind of accident.

When a man has a crash it will tend to be a fairly big one. Most crashes involving female staff were a little bit more minor.


And your statistics, like most statistics are misleading.

They only consider who was killed.

So basically if a woman was driving her husband and their children, 2 boys and a girl.

The statistics would record two female fatalities and three male.

Like most statistics they are produced to prove a political point.

And as such they are usually worthless.

 

[simple_gifts]

Quote:

And your statistics, like most statistics are misleading.


Good statistic.

 

[bigjl]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
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And your statistics, like most statistics are misleading.


Good statistic.


Doesn't change the fact that most statistics are misleading.

The above statistics don't consider hours or miles driven or indeed who was at fault in the accident.

Or do you believe that four men sitting in a car that are hit by a woman driver.

The men are killed. It he woman survives, so statistically obviously worst drivers as four men have been killed and no women.

Or if they are all killed then Statistical analysis will show that men are four times more likely to be killed in an RTC than women and therefore according to statistical analysis women are four times better than men.

One issue, the men were sitting in a parked car, the woman hit them.

Does that make it easier to understand.

The only problem in life is that there is so much information and knowledge.

Yet a surprisingly small amount of common sense to make proper sense of it.

 

[HerrStig]

Originally Posted By: mongo161
Who knows if it is totaled?

I'm sure some quality body and paint shop would have it looking like new......as long as there is no structual damage or safety issues.....

"Nailed at 50mph" and it's not totaled? Pretty strong Toyota.

 

[matrass]

to the OP sorry to hear about the accident. glad you did not get hurt. sad to see these drivers that are more worried abut missing a stupid text message than ruining somebody's car or worse killing another human being. hope you find a solution to getting another car. checking out the stats that were posted, I would like to see some on women drivers from age 16-23 and see what the stats say. my wife is not the norm as she does not talk or text while driving. she also can drive with the best of them, man or woman.

 

[bigjl]

There was a recent case in the UK. 18yr old texting a friend hit another car, one last was killed, more tragic was the fact she was given the all clear after a long fight against cancer.

The driver went to court and was found guilty.

Given a custodial sentence. And what was she doing as she was pictured leaving court

That's right, she was sending yet another text message.

Thankfully she has a year or so without being able to text to break the habit.

The one thing statistics can never take into consideration is the true randomness of life.

Incidentally I don't think there were any men involved.

So much for statistics then.

 

[jorton]

Originally Posted By: montero1
Got rearended by a woman "not paying attention". I was stopped, she nailed me @ 50mph, swerved a little right before impact. Her left front destroyed my right rear, knocked me over an eight inch curb and up onto the median. She was driving a Jeep Commander, the front end of it is gone. Her insurance has said it is totaled, waiting to see what my insurance says. Not even sure what to do now, maybe get another Gen II Prius. Mine had 109k on it and ran like the day it rolled out of the Dealer new. Tossed around the idea of selling the Z4 (Yikes) and getting a Fusion Hybrid. Sucks that I had my car so long, kept it like new inside and outside, and some hack comes along and destroys it. This was the third time that car was rear-ended with me just sitting at a standstill.....all three times it was a woman "not paying attention".

Smashed


I hope you were not injured and if you were not, it sounds like you are lucky.

Approaching stop signs I always get nervous when someone is following too close.

 

[doitmyself]

Interesting discussion. I work in a research institution and agree that statistical results are VERY difficult to interpret.

To the OP, sorry for your loss and inconvenience. Be thankful if you have no lingering health issues. I chuckle when people buy a "beloved" car and say they are going to keep it forever. Sometimes there are things one cannot control.

I have started to adopt the UPS drivers mentality regarding uber defensive driving skills: i.e., "clear the intersection" before going through, regardless of a green light. Still, one cannot control everything in life.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

I think cars should come with more screens and gadgets to distract drivers from the purpose for which they are in the driver's seat. Maybe the texting keyboard could be incorporated into the radio?

We all need to pay higher insurance rates. There should be little accountability.

Sorry about your car, but accidents such as this are probably going to increase. Drunks often drive much better than texters.

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Glad to hear you're OK. Cars are just things that can be replaced, people can't.

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Women really are terrible driver for the most part. My wife even agrees!


It appears that neither you nor your wife are correct. Here are some quick statistics on accident rates/fatalities by gender, broken down by age group. Males are involved in far more accidents, and those accidents are usually much more severe than those which involve female drivers. It's why males (where not constrained by state law) have higher insurance rates than females.

For comparison, here is the gender split for the same age groups.

Men drive an average of over 16,000 miles per year. Women, about 10,000. Your statistics can be readily explained by the fact that men drive 60% more than women alone...

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm

 

[Artem]

I agree that the damage is honestly, VERY MINOR. Any decent shop can have it looking like new again within a week.

That crash happened at >15mph.

If the car has been hit before, get it fixed and keep on rolling.

 

[RiceCake]

Besides they're all fatalities. Maybe he's just trying to show us that when men crash, they crash good and proper, not slow fender benders from idling around completely distracted.

 

[eljefino]

Now would be the time to make a priickup truck.

 

[matrass]

Originally Posted By: bigjl
There was a recent case in the UK. 18yr old texting a friend hit another car, one last was killed, more tragic was the fact she was given the all clear after a long fight against cancer.

The driver went to court and was found guilty.

Given a custodial sentence. And what was she doing as she was pictured leaving court

That's right, she was sending yet another text message.

Thankfully she has a year or so without being able to text to break the habit.

The one thing statistics can never take into consideration is the true randomness of life. should throw them in prison where they will not have a phone.

Incidentally I don't think there were any men involved.

So much for statistics then.



wow that is shocking to hear about the cancer victim. does not surprise me that this person can not break the texting habit, they need instant gratification .

 

[tom slick]

Was she also an engineer? I've read on BITOG that besides being poor drivers they are questionable at installing gas pipes.

Glad you are okay.

 

[rjundi]

Car did its job. Glad you are here to write about it. They all end up in the scrap heap sometime.

 

[Dakota1820]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Glad to hear you're OK. Cars are just things that can be replaced, people can't.

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Women really are terrible driver for the most part. My wife even agrees!


It appears that neither you nor your wife are correct. Here are some quick statistics on accident rates/fatalities by gender, broken down by age group. Males are involved in far more accidents, and those accidents are usually much more severe than those which involve female drivers. It's why males (where not constrained by state law) have higher insurance rates than females.

For comparison, here is the gender split for the same age groups.

the statistics don't tell you that men have a lot more driving jobs than women. or that more men drive to work than women and when a man and women go out together the man in most cases is who drives. i would say that both genders are both for the majority awful drivers. people generally understand left is left right is right and which pedal is what. that's about as in depth as it gets. most people don't understand controlling a slide. most say they do but when the time comes they don't do it naturally . or pumping their brakes or engine braking. people can function the basics and that's about it. and a smartphone even screws up the ability to perform the basic tasks of driving.

 

[montero1]

To all of you that think this happened at 15mph, you're wrong. She swerved at the last minute, her left front clipped my right rear- it was not a square front to back hit, she slid off the rear of my car to the right side. Hit hard enough to roll my car over a median I was in park. The underside of the hatch where the spare tire sits is shaped like a V, and the roof is buckled at the top where the antennae is. Speed limit on the road is 50 mph, she admitted to going that fast and not having time to brake. It's no different than sideswiping someones mirror at 50mph,(doesn't mean the car will be totaled), it's all about the angle I was hit. Surely I wont waste any more of my time arguing with you experts, I'm sure it was possible she was going 47mph by the time she swerved. There is likely a ton of damage underneath, and both left rims and tires are trash, and it doesn't even steer straight.

Looked at some used Prius today, all were in crumby shape compared to mine, or were bare bones models. All of the halfway decent ones are 15-16k, I may just find something else for 10k, cause the 5k I would save buys a lot of gas. Mini Cooper maybe, who knows.

 

[Rand]

Crashes can be deceiving.
I was hit at "about 20" mph according to the texting guy that totalled my car.

I heard his brakes a SPLIT second before he hit me.. I wasnt stopped I was slowing with my foot on the brake for geese in the road(flock)
Speed limit was 35 but its like a dragway everyone does 45-55mph.

Damage doesnt look that bad but it was estimated at 15k+

so.. my point.. its really hard to tell from pictures sometimes.

my advice YOU dont HAVE to accept what they offer for your car..
it will be extreme lowball.

Ask them to find a similar replacement car in similar condition.

they were comparing mine to a different model car that cost 4000$ less..

then they tried comparing with ones with 4x the miles that were beat up...

they tried all kinds of dirty stuff.

when they lowball you make them give you the comparable cars they are using to determine what you get.. it gives you ammo.

it took me 2 monthes but I ended up getting 30% more than the initial offer.

for reference my 15000$ accident