Musk Says Tesla ‘Dug Our Own Grave’ With The Cybertruck

Torrid said:
This is what I found. Still not great.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Tesla Cybertruck has an estimated range of 340 milesfor the all-wheel drive (AWD) trim. This is an improvement over the initial range of 300 miles announced in 2019 during the launch event. However, the tri-motor Cybertruck, now known as the Cyberbeast, only has a range of 320 miles instead of the advertised 500 miles.

Wherever these numbers came from, the EPA allows a couple of different methods to obtain these numbers and Tesla always chooses the less honest one. I may like Tesla but I don't give them a free pass, that's for sure.
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I've never understood why manufacturers end up with three motors on their high end products. Wouldn't you want four for torque vectoring etc?
 
proveitwithdata said:
4680 were heralded as a breakthrough in terms of power density and cost reduction, Giga texas was suppose to churn out model ys with it, but then that went away and now only the cybertruck has it. They cannot seem to deliver just yet on it for reasons as linked above, and I think the cybertruck low productin volume is suffering due to that.

It would be fine if the market was stagnant, but I do see BMW pounding their chest about their 4680 in the upcoming neu klasse. with catl and eve energy
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Apparently recently it's coming out that the 4680 cells are a "dry" anode technology vs wet. Unfortunately Tesla has rushed this and it's biting them hard. It sounds like engineers are saying that the material applied is way more difficult to scale up than previously thought. If the chemicals aren't applied correctly the battery pack is scrap according to a couple of articles. A number of people at Tesla are saying that with current production rates Tesla will only be able to crank out about 24,000 Cybertrucks a year. Creating cutting edge technology is great, but not when it sounds like it has alot of teething problems and you are attempting to use it on a new "halo" model.
 
97prizm said:
I've never understood why manufacturers end up with three motors on their high end products. Wouldn't you want four for torque vectoring etc?
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Honestly there's a lot to that, but it also depends on what the goal of the vehicle is. Lucid didn't find a need to do it and it's the quickest 4 door production car in the world. Torque vectoring the rear with a single front is pretty effective with the right front differential and I'd think with a truck quad motor would really not matter much if absolute performance wasn't the goal. The Rivian top trim is quad motor, but the tri motor Cybertruck is still faster at least in a straight line. Of course you're referring to benefits in handling, but it doesn't seem to be holding the Lucid back.
 
I want to see one of these ugly things get seriously offroaded, and then watch how long it lasts.

Not driving through a puddle at 2 MPH, but some serious 4x4 action.

That really old Leno guy made a video of himself driving one, said he was going to offroad it, so I was eagerly watching that video.
Then because he took it off a paved road, he called it offroading. Any regular off the lot pickup would have gone in 2Hi where he went, what a disappointment.
 
148kw charging at 35% S.O.C.

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For comparison, a Taycan will do at least 150kw through 70%+, on pouch cells.

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97prizm said:
Apparently recently it's coming out that the 4680 cells are a "dry" anode technology vs wet. Unfortunately Tesla has rushed this and it's biting them hard. It sounds like engineers are saying that the material applied is way more difficult to scale up than previously thought. If the chemicals aren't applied correctly the battery pack is scrap according to a couple of articles. A number of people at Tesla are saying that with current production rates Tesla will only be able to crank out about 24,000 Cybertrucks a year. Creating cutting edge technology is great, but not when it sounds like it has alot of teething problems and you are attempting to use it on a new "halo" model.
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As long the bread and butter is still not effected, there process delays should give them some breathing room in the resale market/mmr values. Big leaps take time.

The only thing that is concerning is 2025 Toyota EV lineup. Big range, faster charging, toyota price.
 
DwightFrye said:
Considering that Teslas are among the highest rated vehicles regarding the safety/crash testing, it is mindless speculation to think that the Cybertruck will get a low rating for occupant safety. You are assuming that Tesla's engineers didn't have crash worthiness as a primary prerequisite in the design from the very beginning, along with making sure that it would meed NHTSA regulations for things like ride height, headlights & tail lights and all the other minutiae that vehicles need to adhere to in order to be sold in the US.

I wouldn't bet against Tesla when it comes to these things. Especially when they started with a clean slate in the design and production methods and materials. You can be sure that plenty of crash testing has already occurred.

Now if it was a company like GM that allowed their pickup trucks with dual saddle gas tanks that could easily explode from a side impact to remain on the road for years before a recall because it was cheaper to pay off lawsuits than to recall them, I wouldn't be surprised if safety compromises were made in the design and production. That's what happens when you don't have the resources to do things right in the first place.
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Tesla doesn’t make a pickup truck
 
Can tell where they saved some weight. Basically zero underbody armoring, like a Hummer EV, Rivian or Lightning has. Just plastic or very thin aluminum splash shields.

Start this at 6:15 to see.
 
More evidence the range is terrible and charging of the 4680s is just as bad as the 4680 equipped Model Ys.

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These legs are between 100 miles and 146 miles. Mostly 40 minute charging stops. One 20 minute stop and one 55 minute stop.




And there’s this new thread from the Cybertruck forum. Many are thinking this will max-out about 250 miles real-world.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...wd-cybertruck-after-20-mile-range-test.10983/
 
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E365 said:
More evidence the range is terrible and charging of the 4680s is just as bad as the 4680 equipped Model Ys.

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These legs are between 100 miles and 146 miles. Mostly 40 minute charging stops. One 20 minute stop and one 55 minute stop.




And there’s this new thread from the Cybertruck forum. Many are thinking this will max-out about 250 miles real-world.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...wd-cybertruck-after-20-mile-range-test.10983/
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Why would anyone think a 6,800lb vehicle would be efficient?

What a ridiculously stupid thing to drive. I'd drive an ICE truck before this and I won't be caught dead in one of those these days. If you claim you care about the environment and buy a Cybertruck I think may become a fan of this virtue signaling term.

Joke. Absolute joke.
 
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