Motorcraft 820s cut open

[Job]

Ford really doesn't care about a lot of stuff. It took them 7 years to come up with a special service bulletin to dealerships that a certain engine noise (the "typewriter tick") was now "normal" after replacing tons of engines under warranty for that same noise over those 7 years. They react slower than any company I've ever seen.

Doesn’t know and doesn’t care are two different things. When they are paying money for something to be made, they care.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Doesn’t know and doesn’t care are two different things. When they are paying money for something to be made, they care.

I said "don't care" ... it would be ludicrous if they didn't know. Of course Ford knows that some of their Purolator made filters tear. Why they don't tell Purolator to fix the issue is most likely a "don't care" viewpoint. Ford is very slow to react (if at all) to some issues ... lots of history in that realm - takes a class action lawsuit sometimes. Ford knew about the typewriter tick for 7 years before they "concluded" it was "normal". In reality, they were probably tired of replacing short blocks under warranty. Now dealerships use the excuse that any noise is "normal" when someone goes to the dealer when their engine sounds like it's going to blow-up, lol.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Thanks. I am sure I used the older design before but never noticed the change. I was also surprised at the 20 micron efficiency rating.

Been advertised by Motorcraft as that as long as I can remember - maybe something has changed since then. Maybe it's better today ... but not if the media is torn.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I figured that might be the next observation when link posted. Like many topics covered many times. That spec appears to be a generic 'at minimum' spec. (OEM OF generally keep efficiency as proprietary info.) Amsoil tested (2011) some OEM filters using ISO 4548-12 including topic 820S, results showed 93.7% at 20um. Chart has been posted many times this subforum, it was compared Amsoil which tested 98.7 at 20um. Can't think of any reason for Amsoil to pump up another manufacturer's OF numbers.

Probably right there Sayjac ... a minimum spec. Plus, according to the video from Ford all their filters are suppose to meet USCAR-36 which stipulates a minimum efficiency of 95% @ 30u or greater. What efficiency that equates to at 20u might be closer to 80% than to 93.7% - ??.

 

[Job]

I said "don't care" ... it would be ludicrous if they didn't know. Of course Ford knows that some of their Purolator made filters tear. Why they don't tell Purolator to fix the issue is most likely a "don't care" viewpoint. Ford is very slow to react (if at all) to some issues ... lots of history in that realm - takes a class action lawsuit sometimes. Ford knew about the typewriter tick for 7 years before they "concluded" it was "normal". In reality, they were probably tired of replacing short blocks under warranty. Now dealerships use the excuse that any noise is "normal" when someone goes to the dealer when their engine sounds like it's going to blow-up, lol.

Don’t, doesn’t no difference. The video proves 100% they don’t know but do care. I already explained it to you.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Don’t, doesn’t no difference. The video proves 100% they don’t know but do care. I already explained it to you.

Sure Ford cares and trains their Techs what to look for as the video shows. But the video doesn't prove that they care if their filters tear. If they did, we wouldn't be seeing FL820s filters still tearing today because they've had years to see and figure it out. How many Ford chat boards do you hang out on?

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

You missed the whole point. You said: "They aren’t making a video about defective MC filters." ... true. But we all know that FL-820S filters have been shown to tear many times just on this chat board. So my point is, regardless if Ford said their filters tear or not, fact is they do - it's been proven many times just in this forum. And Ford themselves show in their own video that tearing filters can cause issued inside their motors - what's so hard to understand?

So knowing this, are you a guy who would still want to install a filter that has a good history of tearing on your engine? Just a simple yes or no.

Yes.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Of course.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

So after seeing dozens of torn 820S filters posted in this forum you're still OK with using them because no other place reports any issues? I have a hard time believing that of all the 820S filters cut open across the country, that BITOG is the only chat board or social media outlet that reports the torn filters.

Do you cut open your own used oil filters? If you cut one open and found torn media, would you keep using them - regardless of brand? Some people need to see stuff "first hand" before they realize things. Member Metalslug can tell you about that ... he never believed it until he found one off his car that was torn.

Dozens? As in 24 filters or more? Can you please post each one here? I did do a search and saw SEVERAL posts about torn 820S oil filters. Not dozens.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Go find them yourself - I know you've seen plenty posted. You always think they are all faked anyway ... just get a 300 ft roll ?

 

[Lubener]

Go find them yourself - I know you've seen plenty posted. You always think they are all faked anyway ... just get a 300 ft roll ?

Amazing how someone can make it their life's mission to trash this filter and beat it into the ground. We all know they tear by now. It's time to move on.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Amazing how someone can make it their life's mission to trash this filter and beat it into the ground. We all know they tear by now. It's time to move on.

It's amazing that some think it doesn't happen and never did, and instead claims everyone who's ever posted a torn 820 is lying and faking it for "fame".

 

[FastLane]

Ive used tons of 820's on my Mustang. I never seen one torn. They look horrible to me so I stopped using them. Whats the point of an oil filter if it isnt filtering the oil?

 

[Lubener]

It's amazing that some think it doesn't happen and never did, and instead claims everyone who's ever posted a torn 820 is lying and faking it for "fame".

Never doubted it happening but you just keep beating it into the ground. I think everyone gets your message.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Never doubted it happening but you just keep beating it into the ground. I think everyone gets your message.

There are obviously some that don't get the message and still seem to think that oil filters with torn media doesn't matter (regardless of brand) - same thing happened with all the torn Purolators. But that's OK because they can do whatever they want. And if someone is claiming none of this has ever happened then they are apparently blind due to "brand loyalty" or just like trolling, lol. I was all into Purolators until they started tearing, I'm not going to run any oil filter, regardless of brand, on my vehicles when there is a clear and recent history of problems with the filter.

 

[Job]

Sure Ford cares and trains their Techs what to look for as the video shows. But the video doesn't prove that they care if their filters tear. If they did, we wouldn't be seeing FL820s filters still tearing today because they've had years to see and figure it out. How many Ford chat boards do you hang out on?

They care and they don’t know. Otherwise the guy wouldn't be rolling a wide pleat in his hands in approval. They haven’t figured it out. The video proves it 100%. Do care and don’t know.

 

[ZeeOSix]

They care and they don’t know. Otherwise the guy wouldn't be rolling a wide pleat in his hands in approval. They haven’t figured it out. The video proves it 100%. Do care and don’t know.

Sure ... everyone on the internet knows beside Ford.

 

[Skeet6]

Did you know they carry a 2 year warranty with unlimited mileage?

 

[Outlook214]

Personally I wouldn't use an 820S, there are more reliable offerings IMHO. But it's funny to read the trolling. People will rip MC for the 820 tears, but will defend when brand X has an ADBV that gets sucked into an engine causing catastrophic damage. I used Purolator 14610's for about 80k miles on an old Nissan and the engine with 150k at trade in never locked up. I bought 2 dozen on Ebay. After I sold the truck, I gave the filters I had left to my mom for her Subaru. My dad had 3 of the used filters in his garage, so I cut them open and all 3 looked good. Would I buy the 14610 knowing what I know now based on the notated tears? No. But a small % of unfiltered oil due to a tear will not damage most ( maybe not any) engines.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Personally I wouldn't use an 820S, there are more reliable offerings IMHO. But it's funny to read the trolling. People will rip MC for the 820 tears, but will defend when brand X has an ADBV that gets sucked into an engine causing catastrophic damage.

LoL ... can you point out exactly where someone has defended an ADBV getting sucked into an engine and said it wasn't the fitter's fault.