Motorcraft 820s cut open

[Job]

The funny thing here is the 820s must be made on a different line than their others. OR since it is so common a filter, it is a target for counterfeiting. Thousands per day are installed at Ford dealers and thousands more per day sold various places. It never has made sense that this one model in the line is subject to being made with such defects. Maybe by now you would think the special 820s line that makes wide pleats and weak media would have been corrected.
In the video they don’t say the torn filter is a Motorcraft, it is just an example of what to look for. They do show a new wide pleat MC, and the guy seems unconcerned about it. Which makes me think they at the time of the video, don’t know about the wide pleat tear issue. You would think it is common sense to not make pleats wide.

 

[ZeeOSix]

so where are the engine failures (or related) from using all these defective FL820S oil filters...if anyone has evidence of that I'd like to see it as this still flies in the face of all the actual FL820S users still out there...

I'm honestly not doubting what several members here see with the FL820S filters but I have not seen anyone show the damage that these problematic filters have caused...and at least for certain F150 Ford trucks, there certainly is a large pool of FL820S filter users...

Bill

Guess the level of risk is different for some people. Some people might watch the Ford video and understand the risk, while others want to see hundreds of blown up engines to be convinced that using filters that tear might not be what they want on their vehicle. As they say ... "to each their own".

 

[ZeeOSix]

In the video they don’t say the torn filter is a Motorcraft, it is just an example of what to look for.

But we know here that FL-820S filters do tear from many reports over the years. And even if it was any other brand of filter tearing or coming apart, it would still effect the issue Ford is talking about in the video.

 

[bullwinkle]

Fact is, a torn filter likely isn't going to kill an engine, unless a gallery gets completely blocked. It's more likely to cause long term damage, like bearing noise, excessive oil consumption, and (my favorite) timing chain stretch.

 

[Job]

But we know here that FL-820S filters do tear from many reports over the years. And even if it was any other brand of filter tearing or coming apart, it would still effect the issue Ford is talking about in the video.

Thats right they are not talking about their own filters releasing debris in this video, but about the problem with other filters. They aren’t making a video about defective MC filters.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Thats right they are not talking about their own filters releasing debris in this video, but about the problem with other filters. They aren’t making a video about defective MC filters.

Like said (and you know it because you've actually been here over 10 years), that Purolator and Purolator "built for" filters, which includes the Motorcraft FL-820S, have way more reports of media tearing than any other filter discussed regarding media tearing. You're argument is that since Ford didn't say anything about Motorcraft filters tearing in the video then that must mean they don't tear (even though they actually show a Motorcraft FL-820S filter and say nothing about any other brand) ... sure, lol.

So do you think it's a wise move to use filters with known media tearing issues and instead just disregard the information that Ford themselves address in their video?

 

[RazorsEdge]

It's like a little broken record around these forums

All we ever used was these FL820S filters and the car has almost 400,000 miles on it.The only reason we are going to retire this car is due to rust issues.

Now to your regularly scheduled broken record on BITOG

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Clear evidence that torn media can extend engine life.

 

[Job]

Like said (and you know it because you've actually been here over 10 years), that Purolator and Purolator "built for" filters, which includes the Motorcraft FL-820S, have way more reports of media tearing than any other filter discussed regarding media tearing. You're argument is that since Ford didn't say anything about Motorcraft filters tearing in the video then that must mean they don't tear (even though they actually show a Motorcraft FL-820S filter and say nothing about any other brand) ... sure, lol.

So do you think it's a wise move to use filters with known media tearing issues and instead just disregard the information that Ford themselves address in their video?

? I am not even arguing, and never said because Ford said nothing about MC filters tearing it means they don't tear. You made it up.
Obviously they aren’t making a video about their own MC filters tearing, the video is about filter caused debris in general.

 

[ZeeOSix]

? I am not even arguing, and never said because Ford said nothing about MC filters tearing it means they don't tear. You made it up.
Obviously they aren’t making a video about their own MC filters tearing, the video is about filter caused debris in general.

You missed the whole point. You said: "They aren’t making a video about defective MC filters." ... true. But we all know that FL-820S filters have been shown to tear many times just on this chat board. So my point is, regardless if Ford said their filters tear or not, fact is they do - it's been proven many times just in this forum. And Ford themselves show in their own video that tearing filters can cause issued inside their motors - what's so hard to understand?

So knowing this, are you a guy who would still want to install a filter that has a good history of tearing on your engine? Just a simple yes or no.

 

[silversport]

the guys that cut open filters say the filters are bad...the guys that use the filters say they don't have issues with them and still no one shows evidence of failed motors or issues with the filter...not the engine weight, not the engine design, the engine filter...

you say there are many choices out there that are better and yet when I check with actual users (within the thousands that have the 2004-2008 F150 5.4 3V) they seem to say use the FL820S...why is that?...many of those people are mechanics...they see more engines than I believe are seen by the filter cutters...

I'm not saying you are wrong about the FL820S...but NO ONE shows ANY evidence...common issues with the 5.4 3V seem to be from the low volume oil pump and the recommended 5W20 synthetic blend oil...mostly solved by switching to a higher volume oil pump and using 5W30...

If I got ANY consensus of an oil filter on the Forums of actual users I might go with that but it seems the overwhelming consensus is still...in 2020 to use the FL820S filter...

On this Forum the consensus is that the FL820S is a poor choice as shown from the filter cutters...

Bill

 

[silversport]

Also many Fords now have a 10k oci. Would you want one of these for that duration?

I have a 5K mile OCI and I wouldn't go beyond that mileage nor would I want this filter for that time period...the OCI is less if I use flex fuels...

Bill

 

[Zee09]

I have a 5K mile OCI and I wouldn't go beyond that mileage nor would I want this filter for that time period...the OCI is less if I use flex fuels...

Bill

Agreed.....thanks

 

[Lubener]

From what I have read so far, these tear less often the ones with the Purolator name on the can. These still do not look very impressive.

 

[Job]

You missed the whole point. You said: "They aren’t making a video about defective MC filters." ... true. But we all know that FL-820S filters have been shown to tear many times just on this chat board. So my point is, regardless if Ford said their filters tear or not, fact is they do - it's been proven many times just in this forum. And Ford themselves show in their own video that tearing filters can cause issued inside their motors - what's so hard to understand?

So knowing this, are you a guy who would still want to install a filter that has a good history of tearing on your engine? Just a simple yes or The video isn't about the 820s, and I don't want to use them based pm the wide pleat, but I can't use them anyway as they don't fit/

 

[ZeeOSix]

"The video isn't about the 820s, and I don't want to use them based pm the wide pleat, but I can't use them anyway as they don't fit."

I never said it was about the 820s ... I said Ford informs watchers of the video that filters that tear can cause media to go into the engine and cause issues. They just happen to show an 820 in the video, but that wasn't the prime message they were giving. But all the long time members here (including you) know for a fact that some Motorcraft filters and some other brands do tear media.

So would you put any filter that tears on any of your vehicles knowing this?

 

[MetalSlug]

I don’t use fl820s any more . Even though it’s my all all all time favore oil filter since I own many 4.6l and 5.4l that using fl820s . I hope they fix the tear and I go back in a heart beat

but to think about it . With all these tear issue and there are hundred of thousand Ford out there that are still using this oil filter every day . Walmart always have hard time keep up restocking this filter .

 

[Job]

I never said it was about the 820s ... I said Ford informs watchers of the video that filters that tear can cause media to go into the engine and cause issues. They just happen to show an 820 in the video, but that wasn't the prime message they were giving. But all the long time members here (including you) know for a fact that some Motorcraft filters and some other brands do tear media.

So would you put any filter that tears on any of your vehicles knowing this?

I would use the 820s and cut it open. But since I have no car that takes it it is only imagining. The video is on one subject, then you, not them, make it to include the 820s. The 820 tears at the pleat bottom, not in the middle on the samples I remember. How many fibers are released if any is speculation, an opinion. So it’s two subjects.The main concern was unfiltered oil to most people.
You win, I lose and that’s fine. You are always right, and I am always wrong.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I would use the 820s and cut it open. But since I have no car that takes it it is only imagining. The video is on one subject, then you, not them, make it to include the 820s. The 820 tears at the pleat bottom, not in the middle on the samples I remember. How many fibers are released if any is speculation, an opinion. So it’s two subjects.The main concern was unfiltered oil to most people.

So would you slap another one on your engine if you found the media torn - even if it wasn't a Motorcraft ... say a Purolator or similar?

There are only 2 simple logic dots at the most to connect. Ford shows that failed/torn filters (regardless of brand so you're happy) can cause internal engine problems on some of their motors. Since FL-820S filters have been proven many times just in this forum to tear, the logical conclusion is obviously "why use them". A tear is a tear ... it's not "OK" if it tears "at the pleat bottom" instead of the "middle". Obviously fibers and media can go into the oiling system ... if it couldn't happen then Ford wouldn't even have mentioned it in the video.

I'm just trying to figure out the mindset of people who think using filters that have a history of tearing is OK and no big deal.

 

[cos]

ZeeOsix,

You tried!

FWIW - I'm with you, I will not use a filter with a history of tearing. That being said I never had a tear with Purolator/Motocraft cartridge filters and I used those from '06 - '18 in my '06 4 cyl Fusion.