No, they use worse filters. I posted a OEM filter with low miles cut open. It looked horrible.
Motorcraft 820s cut open
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The two that I did looked great. Can't get much worse than this model.
It was the FL500 version. The factory 820 size filter is ok
I was going to ask any update on this fl820s . I was one of the type of guy don’t believe this and hate fram until I cut one open and saw the hole myself . I went to fram .
while we at this is FL500s ever tear here ?
while we at this is FL500s ever tear here ?
Did you watch the Ford video in post #10?
Yes. What about it?
The factory FoMoCo filters were Champ Labs in the past. We are currently seeing WIX made FoMoCo filters.
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Didn’t know that I figured they were made by the same people. At least Wix isn’t bad from my experience though.
WIX/NAPA Gold are my top pick for Fords. Like others have said, the 910s and 400s are acceptable. For my 2.7 Ecoboost, the FL-2062A is perfectly fine. The cartridge looks exactly like a Mann. It will get a NAPA Gold next change.
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That is good. I’ve heard good things on the Napa filters too.
You think it's a good thing that media from tears can go into the engine and clog up VCT screens and such?
That video showed sludged up engines that probably went 10,000-15,000 miles between oil changes. Can't blame the media for tearing in that situation, and clogged up screens would be the least of your problems then. Besides, I don't hear clogged screens being an issue with 300,000+ mile fleet cars.
The lengths and mental contortions being used here to explain away material or design defects is simply amazing.
Stuff is being made up out of thin air and posted as a cause rather than the obvious.
Fantastical.
Stuff is being made up out of thin air and posted as a cause rather than the obvious.
Fantastical.
The video even showed a torn filter. The FL-820S can tear on a perfectly clean engine and regular OCI - many members here have proved that.
Regardless of why a filter tears, Ford is saying it's something that can cause problems. The best way to mitigate that is to avoid filters that have a history of tearing. But of course anyone who wants to take the risk is free to do so, it's their vehicle.
so where are the engine failures (or related) from using all these defective FL820S oil filters...if anyone has evidence of that I'd like to see it as this still flies in the face of all the actual FL820S users still out there...
I'm honestly not doubting what several members here see with the FL820S filters but I have not seen anyone show the damage that these problematic filters have caused...and at least for certain F150 Ford trucks, there certainly is a large pool of FL820S filter users...
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I'm honestly not doubting what several members here see with the FL820S filters but I have not seen anyone show the damage that these problematic filters have caused...and at least for certain F150 Ford trucks, there certainly is a large pool of FL820S filter users...
Bill
A while back someone once posted UOA data showing no real difference between oil with or completely without a filter (which is pretty much what we have here and what is being argued). Of course a standard UOA isn't the correct tool for it, but it does mirror this situation.
Everyone that is advocating the torn filters are "fine" should also be "fine" with no filter at all. Perhaps they are. Certainly there shouldn't be any arguments over filtering efficiency.
Everyone that is advocating the torn filters are "fine" should also be "fine" with no filter at all. Perhaps they are. Certainly there shouldn't be any arguments over filtering efficiency.
Considering the tight tolerances, lack of cam bearings (cams ride directly on the head casting), and penchant for timing chain issues on the Ford modular V6 & V8 engines that use the FL820S-it's about the LAST filter you want to put on one! The almighty Ford /MC logo is only a naked cash grab.
And, before the MC lovers pile on, there have been short, fat Fram filters of the past (PH16 is a good example) that suffered similar issues due to insufficient media. The FL400S, 500S, and other MCs are just fine.
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Would you use a motor oil with a poor add pack ? Probably not.
So why use a suspect filter even though you haven't seen any proof of engine failures.
Too many choices out there.
I suspect cheapness and availability are the culprits of the head in the sand crowd here.
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