MOBILE 1 QUESTION

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Sooooo basically use 5w-20 because your car is still under warranty and you should be doing 5,000 mile OCI and using dino oil will be enough to protect your engine in your climate.

But if you still want to use 0w-20 there is no harm you just may not get your moneys worth from the oil with 5,000 mile OCI.
 
If your car calls for 5w20, using 0w20 won't hurt your warranty.
As for "not getting your money's worth" pure speculation.
No data showing that to be true or false.
Some guys here will tell you just use the cheapest brand no matter what.
Synthetic is a waste.
It's all marketing.
But they seem to get so upset at those who use it. I don't get it personally.
I don't try to get them to change their ways, let me be as well.
If I'm at the end of the road, and God tells me I've wasted my money, I'll deal with it then :)
 
Check your dealer or Toyota USA to see if you use Toyota synthetic 0W20 can you extend OCI to 10k miles and still have full warranty. If it is then I would use Toyota 0W20 for 10k OCI, if not then I use dino 5W20 with 5k OCI.

My personal opinion, if 0W20 and 5W20 costs the same (PP or Synpower) I would choose 0W20 even in So Cal climate.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Check your dealer or Toyota USA to see if you use Toyota synthetic 0W20 can you extend OCI to 10k miles and still have full warranty. If it is then I would use Toyota 0W20 for 10k OCI, if not then I use dino 5W20 with 5k OCI.

My personal opinion, if 0W20 and 5W20 costs the same (PP or Synpower) I would choose 0W20 even in So Cal climate.


Have we seen any Toyota with a 10k OCI? When I was looking at a Camry a few months they spec'd 5w-20 (both in the manual and cap)and no one knew (in service or sales) about any 10k oci...

Just wondering.
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Have we seen any Toyota with a 10k OCI? When I was looking at a Camry a few months they spec'd 5w-20 (both in the manual and cap)and no one knew (in service or sales) about any 10k oci...

Just wondering.


No, I haven't. I hear that Toyota are extending the OCI to 10k with 0W20, instead of 5k with 5W20 starting model year 2010. May be only for engines that spec'd 0w-20.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Have we seen any Toyota with a 10k OCI? When I was looking at a Camry a few months they spec'd 5w-20 (both in the manual and cap)and no one knew (in service or sales) about any 10k oci...

Just wondering.


No, I haven't. I hear that Toyota are extending the OCI to 10k with 0W20, instead of 5k with 5W20 starting model year 2010. May be only for engines that spec'd 0w-20.





I thought it was the 2010 Prius and Camry, but there's more!
http://priuschat.com/news/toyota-changes-prius-oil-change-10000-miles

Others:
The included vehicles are:
2010 Toyota Camry (4 cylinder)
2010 Toyota Prius
2010 Toyota Tundra (small V8)
2010 Toyota Sequoia (small V8)
2010 Toyota FJ Crusier
2010 Toyota 4Runner (6 cylinder)
2010 Scion xD

*Note:
The notification defines "severe use" as:
-mainly being used on dirt/dusty roads
-consistently used to tow trailers or with car-top carriers or heavy load use
-primarily used for short trips below 32 F / 0 C
-extensive idling and low speed driving like police/taxi/door-to-door delivery

I suppose that the sitting in stop 'n' go traffic in 90°-105° temps for 3-4 hours a day doesn't qualify. Yes, it certainly does.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
No, I haven't. I hear that Toyota are extending the OCI to 10k with 0W20, instead of 5k with 5W20 starting model year 2010. May be only for engines that spec'd 0w-20.

You can be fairly sure that that change has nothing to do with the cold pumpability of the 0w-20.
wink.gif


It might be because 0w-20s in general have more synthetic content. Or because TOYOTA's 0w-20 is really good stuff.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
No, I haven't. I hear that Toyota are extending the OCI to 10k with 0W20, instead of 5k with 5W20 starting model year 2010. May be only for engines that spec'd 0w-20.

You can be fairly sure that that change has nothing to do with the cold pumpability of the 0w-20.
wink.gif


It might be because 0w-20s in general have more synthetic content. Or because TOYOTA's 0w-20 is really good stuff.


That's what I'm hoping. If it is, I've saved about 50% over the RP I've been using.
I have a case - one year's worth, so we'll see.
 
Speaking of broken records: I mentioned to a 5 yr old recently, you sound like a broken record and they said "what is a record? " We all date ourselves at times..
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: PurplePride
Really? So what temps ARE 0w20 made for? Please, enlighten me.
If it were up to you, there'd be one oil, one price.
Seriously. Don't you get tired of preaching:

It's overkill;.
It's overpriced.
It's no better.

Like a broken record. I've spent days in parts of Cali in the 10-15°f range. Not cold enough? Really?
120°f isn't severe enough for a better oil?
Really?


I've spent well below 10-15f with 10w30 oils of yesterday. And taken many an engine well running down the road.

And high temps too. All oil is "better". If you NEED the koolaid then the mfg will tell you.

Really... That is what cooling systems are for.

And you are correct, I sound like a broken record because of all the mis-info spewed on the board. The marketing works and there is not marketing for the truth.

Really?


Lets get 'real' here...and possibly get a little educated..
5w or even 10w is more than enough for almost all SoCal low temps. (I lived in SoCal for over 30 years).

I now live in Central Oregon and use a 5w30 oil. We get a number of below 0 mornings and sub freezing days...and my 5w starts my vehicle without any effort.

If you ever move into the upper mid-west (MN,ND,SD,MI,MT etc.) then you would be smart to use a 0w oil.

But in SoCal...as mentioned before by me and others...its OVERKILL! The problen with most SOCals is (and I speak from experience)..they don't know what 'real' cold is all about...they put on sweat shirts when the temps go to 50 degrees and 'think' its cold..
 
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Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: PurplePride
Really? So what temps ARE 0w20 made for? Please, enlighten me.
If it were up to you, there'd be one oil, one price.
Seriously. Don't you get tired of preaching:

It's overkill;.
It's overpriced.
It's no better.

Like a broken record. I've spent days in parts of Cali in the 10-15°f range. Not cold enough? Really?
120°f isn't severe enough for a better oil?
Really?


I've spent well below 10-15f with 10w30 oils of yesterday. And taken many an engine well running down the road.

And high temps too. All oil is "better". If you NEED the koolaid then the mfg will tell you.

Really... That is what cooling systems are for.

And you are correct, I sound like a broken record because of all the mis-info spewed on the board. The marketing works and there is not marketing for the truth.

Really?


Lets get 'real' here...and possibly get a little educated..
5w or even 10w is more than enough for almost all SoCal low temps. (I lived in SoCal for over 30 years).

I now live in Central Oregon and use a 5w20 oil. We get a number of below 0 mornings and sub freezing days...and my 5w starts my vehicle without any effort.

If you ever move into the upper mid-west (MN,ND,SD,MI,MT etc.) then you would be smart to use a 0w oil.

But in SoCal...as mentioned before by me and others...its OVERKILL!


Good, I'll just suffer.
I'm from Montana, Butte, and I know cold.
As for cold, as many have stated, cold does not refer only to just the weather, but the state of the engine. Cold engines simply are better off with thinner oil pumping more quickly than thicker oil.
As I said, I used to run 20w50 in my 69 Z/28 in PA in sub-freezng temps. the car started, and ran, but I'm sure it would have been easier doing both in the cold with a thinner oil.
Anyway, enough. I won't argue over and over about oil being overkill. PM me when you can tell me I'm damaging my motor.
 
Originally Posted By: PurplePride
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: PurplePride
Really? So what temps ARE 0w20 made for? Please, enlighten me.
If it were up to you, there'd be one oil, one price.
Seriously. Don't you get tired of preaching:

It's overkill;.
It's overpriced.
It's no better.

Like a broken record. I've spent days in parts of Cali in the 10-15°f range. Not cold enough? Really?
120°f isn't severe enough for a better oil?
Really?


I've spent well below 10-15f with 10w30 oils of yesterday. And taken many an engine well running down the road.

And high temps too. All oil is "better". If you NEED the koolaid then the mfg will tell you.

Really... That is what cooling systems are for.

And you are correct, I sound like a broken record because of all the mis-info spewed on the board. The marketing works and there is not marketing for the truth.

Really?


Lets get 'real' here...and possibly get a little educated..
5w or even 10w is more than enough for almost all SoCal low temps. (I lived in SoCal for over 30 years).

I now live in Central Oregon and use a 5w20 oil. We get a number of below 0 mornings and sub freezing days...and my 5w starts my vehicle without any effort.

If you ever move into the upper mid-west (MN,ND,SD,MI,MT etc.) then you would be smart to use a 0w oil.

But in SoCal...as mentioned before by me and others...its OVERKILL!


Good, I'll just suffer.
I'm from Montana, Butte, and I know cold.
As for cold, as many have stated, cold does not refer only to just the weather, but the state of the engine. Cold engines simply are better off with thinner oil pumping more quickly than thicker oil.
As I said, I used to run 20w50 in my 69 Z/28 in PA in sub-freezng temps. the car started, and ran, but I'm sure it would have been easier doing both in the cold with a thinner oil.
Anyway, enough. I won't argue over and over about oil being overkill. PM me when you can tell me I'm damaging my motor.


Believe what you want to believe.....

"Cold Engines"....give me a break !

Nuff said.............
 
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
The problem with most SOCals is (and I speak from experience)..they don't know what 'real' cold is all about...they put on sweat shirts when the temps go to 50 degrees and 'think' its cold..


I put on sweatshirt when temperature drops below 65 degree and put on down jacket for 50 degree and don't go outside when it was 40 degree or below.
grin2.gif
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
The problem with most SOCals is (and I speak from experience)..they don't know what 'real' cold is all about...they put on sweat shirts when the temps go to 50 degrees and 'think' its cold..


I put on sweatshirt when temperature drops below 65 degree and put on down jacket for 50 degree and don't go outside when it was 40 degree or below.
grin2.gif


Proves my point....
 
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