Mobil 1 - Why do some bad mouth it?

[ottotheclown]

Hey maybe this is why Fram gets such a knock too. It has nothing to do with performance more on how popular. Thanks,

makes me feel better with my Fram synthetic.
Originally Posted By: Anies
The interesting thing about it is that.

A greater number of people are using Mobil 1. That means if a failure occured, a great number of people were using Mobil 1 when it happened. It may not be due to Mobil 1, but thats how they are looking at it.

Fewer people are using off brands and still experienced rod knock/spun bearings.

Hmm one might figure that oil may not have much to do with this.


If you keep reading the thread, it boils down to a bunch of mis-informed individuals throwing misinformation around. Granted it's opinion, and everyone is entitled to it. People are talking about 5w30, in boosted cars with mods etc. It's going to shear regardless of brand.

 

[LS2JSTS]

They are #1. Anytime you are the biggest or most succesful at something, it invites people to put a target on your back.

 

[saberz]

Well what is being said is the SR20's are having failures regardless of oil. It just so happens that most of the drivers are using Mobil 1. You can spin that so many ways its not even funny.

 

[ZeeOSix]

So if anyone else here owns a Vette with an LS6, you probably know that engine makes some top end engine noise (valve train). Mine does make some noise, but it's probably "normal" for the most part. I have only used M1 5W-30 as specified by GM, so have nothing to really compare it to.

Of all the other full synthetics on the market that meet GM's Vette spec that might make the LS6 run quieter, which one would you recommend trying?

 

[Johnny]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix


Of all the other full synthetics on the market that meet GM's Vette spec that might make the LS6 run quieter, which one would you recommend trying?



Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra 5W-30

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Of all the other full synthetics on the market that meet GM's Vette spec that might make the LS6 run quieter, which one would you recommend trying?


Depending on your definition of "full synthetic", you could give Pennzoil Ultra or Castrol Edge a try. Both meet the GM 4718M spec.

One oil that has quieted down many engines is GC. I think Patman ran it successfully in his Vette. GC meets some GM specs, but not the 4718M spec, probably because it is not energy conserving.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Johnny & Quattro Pete ... thanks for the info. Maybe next oil change I'll try something different that meets the GM 4718M spec to see if I notice any difference.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Of all the other full synthetics on the market that meet GM's Vette spec that might make the LS6 run quieter, which one would you recommend trying?


Ultra, Platinum, Red Line, RLI, Amsoil HDD, or Motul 300V 5W-30s, of course none of the boutiques officially meet 4718M but are tougher oils than anything that's officially on the list.

 

[StevieC]

I would say Redline... My engine was really quiet on it and it's a top rated oil with the best basestock possible.

 

[ItsuMitsubishi]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
They are #1. Anytime you are the biggest or most succesful at something, it invites people to put a target on your back.


Indeed they are Number 1!! At what? That's up for debate, but Number 1 spot is a place where the winners are!! I certainly don't want to be a loser by association, so I'll stay clear of the second placers.

More high performance OEMs choose Mobil 1 over any other brand. Can Castrol say that? How about Shell? Did you read that? Choice! Influencing factors on that choice being made? Let's not discuss that. That's for you the consumer to assume.

Mobil 1 also has a long history in racing and is a leader in synthetics. Who and how they lead? That's still TBA but lots of guys I know trust M1 over other synthetics! I'm sold!!11 How about you?

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
They are #1. Anytime you are the biggest or most succesful at something, it invites people to put a target on your back.


Indeed they are Number 1!! At what? That's up for debate, but Number 1 spot is a place where the winners are!! I certainly don't want to be a loser by association, so I'll stay clear of the second placers.

More high performance OEMs choose Mobil 1 over any other brand. Can Castrol say that? How about Shell? Did you read that? Choice! Influencing factors on that choice being made? Let's not discuss that. That's for you the consumer to assume.

Mobil 1 also has a long history in racing and is a leader in synthetics. Who and how they lead? That's still TBA but lots of guys I know trust M1 over other synthetics! I'm sold!!11 How about you?


#1 in sales...by a huge margin. No other definitions of the #1 label intended or implied.

Regardless of facts it's hard to stop an avalanche once it gets rolling.....IMO marketing and consumer motivation are often very much like an avalanche, justifiably or not.

 

[StevieC]

Now everyone drink the elixir in these cups and stair up at the comet and soon we will all be united.

 

[HangerHarley]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
I would say Redline... My engine was really quiet on it and it's a top rated oil with the best basestock possible.


Redline is the one with lots of Moly, isnt it? And it comes in the odd-shaped containers? I looked at 15W-50 as a candidate from them.

Redline beats Royal Purple too.

Now Redline 15W-50 vs M1 15W-50. That is a Shoot-out!!

Forgot all about them.

As to the OT, did Mobil 1 really "Take a dip in quality" or is that nonsense? The term "Red Cap" 15W-50 comes to mind...

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: HangerHarley
Now Redline 15W-50 vs M1 15W-50. That is a Shoot-out!!


RL 15W-50 / M1 15W-50

Vis @ 100°C, cSt: 19.6 / 18.1
Vis @ 40°C, cSt: 138 / 131.2
Viscosity Index: 162 / 154
Pour Point, °C: -45 / -39
Flash Point, °C: 252 / 235
NOACK Evaporation Loss, %: 6 / not published
HTHS Vis, cP @ 150°C: 5.8 / 4.5

 

[StevieC]

The Moly amount depends on what Redline oil weight you are using some have lots, others have little from what I have discussed with members here according to the PDS's

- Steve

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
I'm sold!!11 How about you?


Just a question ..you didn't happen to audition for a spot on some commercial, did you?

This has the same ring as the Fram "Pay me now ..or pay me later" type jingle tone to it

 

[Russell]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
The Moly amount depends on what Redline oil weight you are using some have lots, others have little from what I have discussed with members here according to the PDS's
- Steve


You can add moly with lubro-moly Mos2 additive or buy luro-moly oil with Mos2 already in it. I plan to put their 10w40 oil in my BMW this weekend.

 

[StevieC]

If Redline doesn't put it in all their oils there must be a reason IMO and I wouldn't go playing chemist because you might upset the add-pack as it was designed.

Redline is good right out the bottle and won't disappoint!

 

[robertcope]

Originally Posted By: Russell
You can add moly with lubro-moly Mos2 additive or buy luro-moly oil with Mos2 already in it. I plan to put their 10w40 oil in my BMW this weekend.


I love it... buy a high end oil at a high end price and then 'fix' it yourself! Genius.

robert

 

[HangerHarley]

Originally Posted By: robertcope
Originally Posted By: Russell
You can add moly with lubro-moly Mos2 additive or buy luro-moly oil with Mos2 already in it. I plan to put their 10w40 oil in my BMW this weekend.


I love it... buy a high end oil at a high end price and then 'fix' it yourself! Genius.

robert

FWIW, Mos2 made my Oil look like Caramel Swirl, all sorts of Funky. I am lucky it "Stayed in the Oil" and didnt make nastiness all over my engine, i used the can in 2 shots if 1/2 a can on Hot, then 1/2 can again on Hot.

I will not be using it again. Its either IN the Schaeffers 132 (Different Moly,) In the Oil, or not in my Engine.

Mos2 poured like Grease, made the Oil an Olive color, and made my Idiot mechanic think i had Water in my Oil from the way it looked coming out. I had to explain that "I put this can of Moly stuff in."

It did run super smooth on the 1/2 can, though. Now i dont trust it.

Oy