Mobil 1 - Why do some bad mouth it?

[saberz]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
I think my point still stands... Why take the chance when there is other great oils out there for the same price or less than M1 that don't leave you worrying based on UOA's.

This goes for all oils. If you were to do a UOA check from day 1 on a new car until it went to the crusher using your favorite oil or variety of oils you would see wear spike up on occasion throughout the lifetime of the vehicle. There was a test site for Mobil 1 vs Amsoil Extended Drain(using regular plain jane mobil 1). They ran tests over the span over many oil changes and watched the wear with top off etc and it was shown that Mobil 1 performed very well. I can't find the link for it.


UOA's are generally used to see if there is a major issue with an engine(high potassium/sodium). High FE readings are generally an issue when you see 200-300+ PPM of it. There is a UOA floating around that had in excess of 1,000+ FE on one car board due to a bad case of internal component failure.

 

[alleghenyrose]

I used Penzoil 5W-30 regular oil in 91 Chevy PU for 247K miles before I sold it with zero engine problems, no leaks, and believe truck is still being used in tree cutting work.

 

[saberz]

I frankly don't care what I use anymore, its become fanboism. People use what they use, some people want their product in a debate to be the winner to self assure themselves its ok to use it.

Maybe its an inner psychological need for one to comfort themselves. I have used all the synthetics and dino oils and don't care. They have the stupid SM/SN label, then use it. It's the same stupid debate day in and day out.

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: Anies

Because if you used Brand X for 10 years and had NO PROBLEMS, why would you switch? Brand X protected your engine and didn't let it fail. You went 100,000 miles on Brand X, no harm no foul. It's in the back of your mind now, that Brand X took care of your baby.

I've used M1 for 8 years/85k miles and had no engine related failures because of the oil. I have buddies who have run 15 years over 200,000 miles using Mobil 1 with no issues. I have a buddy who has a love affair with 80's Ford pickups and only ONLY runs PYB and ran many a high miles with it. Some people don't want to switch, because a certain product never led them wrong and it works fine for that purpose.


Some people don't care about formulations, extended drain intervals etc. They just care that it "works".


Yeah but which vehicle doesn't make it to 200K miles nowadays on even dino? So how does that prove M1 did a good job?

 

[StevieC]

Originally Posted By: Garak

Why have a Platinum and an Ultra? Why have a Syntec and an Edge?

Castrol was the one who started the muddying of the waters as to what's a synthetic and what's not. Now, Mobil follows the very rules that Castrol thrust upon the industry, and we complain? SOPUS does the same thing, and get applauded?



I'm not saying other oil companies aren't guilty of the same thing but the discussion was on M1.

 

[lipadj46]

Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Originally Posted By: lipadj46
Again awesome proof, another companies' test results. Pepsi is better, I remember the Pepsi challenge commercials.


If you are comparing certified lab results to a soft drink taste test, that really shows your technical comprehension level.

Yes I know irony and analogies are difficult concepts this day and age but try to keep up.

 

[ottotheclown]

Bozo the Clown is my favorite oil, Hello Kitty is next and in third place, Fram synthetic which by the way I have used for 32 years without any trouble. And I just realized that it is not engine protection we are dealing with re. oil but getting a good night sleep. So much like in the film, The Jerk I got it, profit and sleep are the main points we all are dealing with!! WOW

Originally Posted By: HangerHarley
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
basically, they had a superior oil, back when. then they watered down their formula to barely adequate, in order to increase profits. look up "corporation" under google, and you will find that the NUMBER ONE priority of the corporation, is to increase profits. they have absolutely NO priority of producing a quality product. so the way the game goes, is to #1 operate at a loss, and jack up quality, until you get a lot of endorsements. some of the endorsements are basically obtained with money under the table (bribes). then, gradually cut back on quality, until the product is producing huge profits for the CEO and shareholders. Basically, ANY oil nowadays, even BOZO the Clown brand no name oil at your grocery store, as long as it says SL or SM, will protect your engine. They KNOW this, but their reason for living is profit, so that is basically how the game works. That is the reason, that I buy based on price, such as Quaker State, or Valvoline, or ST, or PZ. ALL of these, are superior to Mobil, but you have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF KNOWING IT, except by insight into how the game works, which you will find out by using google search, if you are so inclined.


That is awesome Info.

Kind of a good review for BOZO the Clown no-name Oil! Like WalMart XOM Oil named SuperTech

FWIW, several have said the engine is noisier on M1. This seems to be something more than one isolated person has said.

I feel it will "Make"

Leaks easier, too.

 

[StevieC]

I hear that bozo oil creates sludge and hello kitty it known for high iron. but I'm sure Fram synthetic is the best oil ever because it's the flavor of the month here at BITOG.

This place is like Baskin-Robins

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
I'm not saying other oil companies aren't guilty of the same thing but the discussion was on M1.


Perhaps unfairly on M1. They're all guilty. M1 at least stood up for what should be considered a synthetic. The boutique brands at least retain that distinction. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the Group III/III+ synthetics, but after Castrol opened the floodgates, each major company went along with it to reduce costs, while leaving prices virtually untouched.

If we look at Amsoil, RedLine, RP, and the like, we're looking at expensive oils. Are they better? Maybe, maybe not. But, for the most part, they use the expensive base stocks and cannot take advantage of the economies of scale to the degree that the big companies can.

A lot of people don't like plain Jane Mobil 1 5w-30. It's simple. Don't use it if you don't like it. I've used it. It's not my Mobil 1 variety of choice, but it does work, and it's widely available.

Any engines out there that have grenaded due to oil failure using Mobil 1 5w-30? I didn't think so.

 

[robertcope]

The interesting thing to me is that people are blaming the oils rather than the folks making up the tests that the oils must pass.

For example, if you believe that M1 5W30, which is certified and the factory-fill in Corvettes, does not work well in those motors, I would question the test that GM provided rather than the oil itself, which I am sure passed the test.

At the end of the day, I don't believe most (or perhaps any) of us have the data that we need to really know which oil is the best. People talking about an oil making their car louder or whatever just make me laugh. Example, louder seems to be a bad thing in most of the contexts that I see that, but why? Who says? I like hearing my engine run!

robert

 

[mongo161]

I used a "off the shelf" brand oil once for a friend that way low by One Quart. There were no retail establishments open except for a Bodega that late at night.

Anyways the name of the oil was "BIMBO" oil in a 10W-30 weight. It did have a SL rating, when SM was the current classification, on the bottle and it was bottle in PA. Worked fine for my friend for $1.79 a quart Dino. IMO...I guess all the major oil refiners sell the excess oil in inventory to others who bottle the same product and sell it for a lot less.

Who knows for sure what oil is sold at the "No Name" quick oil change places. Makes you wonder......

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
I know this topic has probably been beat to death 10 times over, but it seems some members don't think Mobi1 1 full synthetic oil is very good, or that there are others that are far better.

At one time, Mobil 1 was the only full synthetic that was easily available that met the GM spec for the Corvette. Now I think there are a hand full of others out there. I've always ran Mobil 1 full synthetic in my Vette, but would like to know why I should change to something better if there really is something better than Mobil 1.

So for those that don't like Mobil 1 ... why?

And if you think there is something better ... what?


Personally I like M1 due to the number of OEM approvals their 0w-40 carried. My previous 2 BMW's which all required LL01 ran much quieter on the M1 0w-40 vs. BMW branded Castrol 5w-30.

Personally I believe there are two reasons why I believe M1 get's a bad rap: #1 - It's essentially the standard which all other oils are compared to. #2 - UOA's tend to show slightly higher Fe levels and M1 has never come out to explain why.

Personally I believe if you stick with an oil which has your OEM approval you will be fine regardless of which brand you run. At the moment my car requires LL04 and I'm currently running M1 ESP 5w-30 between the dealer Castrol SLX changes. I chose M1 because it was slightly cheaper ($7.99) than the SLX and easy to find.

 

[saberz]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Anies

Because if you used Brand X for 10 years and had NO PROBLEMS, why would you switch? Brand X protected your engine and didn't let it fail. You went 100,000 miles on Brand X, no harm no foul. It's in the back of your mind now, that Brand X took care of your baby.

I've used M1 for 8 years/85k miles and had no engine related failures because of the oil. I have buddies who have run 15 years over 200,000 miles using Mobil 1 with no issues. I have a buddy who has a love affair with 80's Ford pickups and only ONLY runs PYB and ran many a high miles with it. Some people don't want to switch, because a certain product never led them wrong and it works fine for that purpose.


Some people don't care about formulations, extended drain intervals etc. They just care that it "works".


Yeah but which vehicle doesn't make it to 200K miles nowadays on even dino? So how does that prove M1 did a good job?

How does that prove any oil did a good job? Any vehicle can or cannot make it to 200k. Really it's up to the owner and maintenance some vehicles are rotting hulks of scrap metal by the time they hit 100k miles because of where they live and how the owner took care of it.

My post was to convey that any brand of oil will protect just fine. You were ranting about people having choices and can't fathom why they would stick with Mobil 1. The reason is easy, because it works!. They don't need to try other oils. Just like people who goto a jiffy lube and don't care what oil is in there so long as its changed. It works for them!

Brand Loyalty is just that. No problems because their favorite product worked!. Just like people who like Granny Smith apples because of their taste, and have eaten them for 20+ years because the taste suites them. Other people say NO! Macintosh apples are better! its Opinion's are like .......'s, everyones got them. You can't change the opinion its so deeply rooted and embedded into a person. Thats why these Mobil 1 haterade debates are useless except for increasing ones post count. The same battle gets waged week in and week out.

You can't dig deeper into it because its a rather simple response.

 

[ottotheclown]

I know the background for that oil: that oil BIMBO was distributed by a dancer in NJ It is a top less oil,

I hear that has good uoa numbers.
Originally Posted By: mongo161
I used a "off the shelf" brand oil once for a friend that way low by One Quart. There were no retail establishments open except for a Bodega that late at night.

Anyways the name of the oil was "BIMBO" oil in a 10W-30 weight. It did have a SL rating, when SM was the current classification, on the bottle and it was bottle in PA. Worked fine for my friend for $1.79 a quart Dino. IMO...I guess all the major oil refiners sell the excess oil in inventory to others who bottle the same product and sell it for a lot less.

Who knows for sure what oil is sold at the "No Name" quick oil change places. Makes you wonder......

 

[TomYoung]

Yeah but which vehicle doesn't make it to 200K miles nowadays on even dino? So how does that prove M1 did a good job?

[/quote]

Plenty. The average automobile hits the junkyard at 140,000 miles per EPA website, as I recall.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: TomYoung
Quote:


Yeah but which vehicle doesn't make it to 200K miles nowadays on even dino? So how does that prove M1 did a good job?

Plenty. The average automobile hits the junkyard at 140,000 miles per EPA website, as I recall.

But is it because of an oil-related engine failure or because of some other component such as transmission, cooling, etc.?

 

[saberz]

Exactly, oil means little in the grand scheme of things. Weather and other maintenance items have a bigger impact on the longevity of a vehicle, not mention accidents.

So while people say X brand is better than Y brand, in the grand scheme of things it means very little for the average person driving an everyday vehicle. That vehicle barring those above circumstances can make it to 300k, 400k, 1 million miles using Mobil 1 or any other synthetic and conventional oil.

 

[Gary Allan]

Which brings us full circle to getting your money's worth out of the oil you choose. Don't fool yourself into thinking you're getting "something extra". You're getting exactly what you paid for. Whether you utilize it to any sensible economy is up to you.

 

[saberz]

I don't even go into that anymore Gary. Money's worth is different for everyone and even Bill knows what I'm talking about when I say it falls on deaf ears/like talking to a wall lol.

People want to hear the answer they have in their head. Any other answer as sensible as it is(saving money) don't want to listen to it. In the end its their choice, just slight amount of time wasted by all participants in the debate.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Here`s an interesting thread concerning rod knock and oil:

http://www.sr20-forum.com/sr20-national-...ou-using-8.html