Mobil 1 controversy on wikipedia.org

[farrarfan1]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post803501
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post799341
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...part=1&vc=1
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post797867
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post781879

Now farra for 6 dollars a qt I my expectations that it better perform better than any oil out there that cost less. Notice the increased iron compaired to other oil out there. Now it is not a lot. But it is higher than other oils sampled. Will M-1 work good in some applications. Yes toyota engines come to mind. But then again 49 cent chevron works just as well and it is just a fraction of the cost. Now this is poor.

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1. Patman questions the first one as being innacurate. Have you eliminated all other variables and can say definitively that the oil is at fault?
2. Looks comparable. Exactly how does this prove M1 is a poor performer?
3. Note Teedubs analysis. Have you eliminated all other variables and can say definitively that the oil is at fault?
4. A 5 year old Nissan withn a head gasket leak and that's M1's fault?
5.And M1's at fault how in this report?

 

[Z_ombie]

Well I realize things are getting heated, however, no one has actually proved that M1 is bad for an engine, and no one has proved its worth the money. It's pretty much mediocre, and for 6 bucks a quart that sucks in my opinion. Now frame what I said, IN MY OPINION. In no way do I speak for anyone but myself, and I am not an M1 flammer, I go by price vs. performance. German Castrol is genuine PAO, and in almost every application, but not all, it OWNS Mobil 1. Amsoil also beats Mobil 1 Extended Performance in the extended drain market. And for value Pennzoil Platinum has M1 beat by a mile. Now thats just comparing synthetics (Group III or otherwise). And as was mentioned, alot of mineral oils will also do just as good as M1. Now it is up to the consumer to do the proper research and used oil analysis to realize what oil works best in their respective application.

 

[farrarfan1]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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Why don't you take an sample of your M-1 in you van. Then run some valvoline since you like it so much. And see for yourself. Your valvoline will probably have an better UOA.
Then what would you think of Mobil 1?

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That's a lot of trouble to go through to see if you can predict the future.

 

[dave1251]

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If you see M1 for $6 a qt. most majors are priced the same. At the vast majority of outlets M1 is priced the same as most major brands INCLUDING PP. The only consistent "bargain" price for PP (excluding rebates) is the jugs at Walmart. A very good deal....But this nonsense about the high cost of M1 and the low price of other major synthetics including PP for non WalMart shoppers is pure #@$%!!

Just more lemmings on the anti Mobil...anti Mobil 1 bandwagon.....and people say "facts" rule this place?

BTW my local WalMarts have M1 in 5W and 10w30 for $4.37. Lower than the other majors and .40 more than PP.

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Your Walmart up ther have it 4.37. That is a steal compaired to 5.62 in chula vista. Why are you posting this in the price section. I know of a few members here in the san diego area that use M-1 for their cars they could use the break. They would even take a nice stroll to H.B.

 

[dave1251]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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Why don't you take an sample of your M-1 in you van. Then run some valvoline since you like it so much. And see for yourself. Your valvoline will probably have an better UOA.
Then what would you think of Mobil 1?

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That's a lot of trouble to go through to see if you can predict the future.

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Well put your money where your mouth is. If your nice I might even put 20 dollars down on one of your used oil analysis.

 

[farrarfan1]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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I believe it's more of a shared responsibility. Imagine the case where people just show up and ask for people to "prove" things to them instead of doing some homework on their own.

Further, M1's elevated Fe level has become such a signature trait to those who read a lot of the used oil analysis posted here that's it's even called....well...M1's Fe signature. Even people who have an undying love of all things from EM, like buster, will admit this.

And for the final pièce de résistance, search for Terry's comment. Little nuggets of gold.

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People are asked every day in court to provide evidence to support their claims. Just because someone says it doesn't make it a fact. I think if someone states something as a fact and they are asked to support it with some type of evidence to support their claim it is their responsibility to provide it. They can either provide the evidence or decline and rest on what they "believe". You'll note I've never claimed Mobil 1 is the best oil available. If I did I would have some type of evidence to support it.

 

[dave1251]

I recant my last statement about paying for your UOA. I have already given you free advice on how to save you some money.

 

[buster]

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Further, M1's elevated Fe level has become such a signature trait to those who read a lot of the used oil analysis posted here that's it's even called....well...M1's Fe signature. Even people who have an undying love of all things from EM, like buster, will admit this.

And for the final pièce de résistance, search for Terry's comment. Little nuggets of gold.

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I don't like XOM Gas.

I was told by a very credible source at one time that the Fe in M1 is iron sulfides from one of the additives. I don't have high confidence that is true. Maybe thats why tear downs are performed by auto engineers...

 

[farrarfan1]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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Why don't you take an sample of your M-1 in you van. Then run some valvoline since you like it so much. And see for yourself. Your valvoline will probably have an better UOA.
Then what would you think of Mobil 1?

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That's a lot of trouble to go through to see if you can predict the future.

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Well put your money where your mouth is. If your nice I might even put 20 dollars down on one of your used oil analysis.

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Because I'm not the one trying to prove anything. I just question when people state something as a fact that don't have the evidence to prove it or the expertise in the field to determine the facts.

 

[dave1251]

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Once again this proves how far rumors based on speculation, hearsay evidence and mass hysteria can spread on the internet.

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Hearsay? Are you talking about testing done to concluded that Mobil 1 is now an group III blended synthetic oil?

 

[tenderloin]

Why are you posting this in the price section. I know of a few members here in the san diego area that use M-1 for their cars they could use the break

I made a mistake...the WalMart price was $4.57 Sorry

Here is where the Target M1 price was discussed


http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post808675

 

[dave1251]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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Why don't you take an sample of your M-1 in you van. Then run some valvoline since you like it so much. And see for yourself. Your valvoline will probably have an better UOA.
Then what would you think of Mobil 1?

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That's a lot of trouble to go through to see if you can predict the future.

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Well put your money where your mouth is. If your nice I might even put 20 dollars down on one of your used oil analysis.

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Because I'm not the one trying to prove anything. I just question when people state something as a fact that don't have the evidence to prove it or the expertise in the field to determine the facts.

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Well this is your opportunity to kill any myth that Mobil 1 does not provide an inferior UOA compared to other oils.

 

[farrarfan1]

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Once again this proves how far rumors based on speculation, hearsay evidence and mass hysteria can spread on the internet.

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Hearsay? Are you talking about testing done to concluded that Mobil 1 is now an group III blended synthetic oil?

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You mean the testing on 2 grades of Mobil 1 Extended Performance? Or the testing done on all grades of M1? Oh wait noone tested all grades of M1, just 2 samples of EP.

 

[dave1251]

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Why are you posting this in the price section. I know of a few members here in the san diego area that use M-1 for their cars they could use the break




http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post808675

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Thanks. I get the word out to our fellow members.

 

[dave1251]

The ones that I know that use Mobil 1 of course.

 

[427Z06]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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I believe it's more of a shared responsibility. Imagine the case where people just show up and ask for people to "prove" things to them instead of doing some homework on their own.

Further, M1's elevated Fe level has become such a signature trait to those who read a lot of the used oil analysis posted here that's it's even called....well...M1's Fe signature. Even people who have an undying love of all things from EM, like buster, will admit this.

And for the final pièce de résistance, search for Terry's comment. Little nuggets of gold.

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People are asked every day in court to provide evidence to support their claims. Just because someone says it doesn't make it a fact. I think if someone states something as a fact and they are asked to support it with some type of evidence to support their claim it is their responsibility to provide it. They can either provide the evidence or decline and rest on what they "believe". You'll note I've never claimed Mobil 1 is the best oil available. If I did I would have some type of evidence to support it.

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Well then...it's your belief against their belief. Neither belief is any more valid than the other until there's supporting evidence.

 

[farrarfan1]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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Why don't you take an sample of your M-1 in you van. Then run some valvoline since you like it so much. And see for yourself. Your valvoline will probably have an better UOA.
Then what would you think of Mobil 1?

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That's a lot of trouble to go through to see if you can predict the future.

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Well put your money where your mouth is. If your nice I might even put 20 dollars down on one of your used oil analysis.

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Because I'm not the one trying to prove anything. I just question when people state something as a fact that don't have the evidence to prove it or the expertise in the field to determine the facts.

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Well this is your opportunity to kill any myth that Mobil 1 does not provide an inferior UOA compared to other oils.

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I don't have to prove anything because I'm not making any claims. I'm questioning the claims made by others.

 

[dave1251]

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Once again this proves how far rumors based on speculation, hearsay evidence and mass hysteria can spread on the internet.

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Hearsay? Are you talking about testing done to concluded that Mobil 1 is now an group III blended synthetic oil?

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You mean the testing on 2 grades of Mobil 1 Extended Performance? Or the testing done on all grades of M1? Oh wait noone tested all grades of M1, just 2 samples of EP.

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There would not be an mass cause of hysteria if Mobil did not try and take Castrol to court because of their group III synthetic. Also I could be wrong about this. But is there going to be more testing done on Mobil 1. The belief is that Delvac one and 0W-40 are the only PAO based ones left in the line up at this time of course.

 

[farrarfan1]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor UOA to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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I believe it's more of a shared responsibility. Imagine the case where people just show up and ask for people to "prove" things to them instead of doing some homework on their own.

Further, M1's elevated Fe level has become such a signature trait to those who read a lot of the used oil analysis posted here that's it's even called....well...M1's Fe signature. Even people who have an undying love of all things from EM, like buster, will admit this.

And for the final pièce de résistance, search for Terry's comment. Little nuggets of gold.

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People are asked every day in court to provide evidence to support their claims. Just because someone says it doesn't make it a fact. I think if someone states something as a fact and they are asked to support it with some type of evidence to support their claim it is their responsibility to provide it. They can either provide the evidence or decline and rest on what they "believe". You'll note I've never claimed Mobil 1 is the best oil available. If I did I would have some type of evidence to support it.

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Well then...it's your belief against their belief. Neither belief is any more valid than the other until there's supporting evidence.

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You're exactly right. But when one side publicly proclaims something they should have the evidence to back it up or the expertise in the field to obtain it.

 

[427Z06]

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You mean the testing on 2 grades of Mobil 1 Extended Performance? Or the testing done on all grades of M1? Oh wait noone tested all grades of M1, just 2 samples of EP.

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That's THREE grades from batches spanning a TWO YEAR period. The odds of that being an anomaly are astronomical.

Do a search.