Mobil 1 controversy on wikipedia.org

[Gary Allan]

I think you're just seeing the effects of the taps starting to run dry. Not wells ..monetary taps that yield green. When THE PREMIER refiner starts to cheapen up a product ..then you know that things are (in a global sense) getting strained. Obviously they're not going to insist on being on the absolute leading edge in this sector. It's tough to remain the greatest forever, I guess.

 

[obbop]

Mobil 1.....

It was the best of oils..... it was the worst of oils....

And thus the novel began.

 

[vanguard]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor used oil analysis to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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I believe it's more of a shared responsibility. Imagine the case where people just show up and ask for people to "prove" things to them instead of doing some homework on their own.

Further, M1's elevated Fe level has become such a signature trait to those who read a lot of the used oil analysis posted here that's it's even called....well...M1's Fe signature. Even people who have an undying love of all things from EM, like buster, will admit this.

And for the final pièce de résistance, search for Terry's comment. Little nuggets of gold.

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People are asked every day in court to provide evidence to support their claims. Just because someone says it doesn't make it a fact. I think if someone states something as a fact and they are asked to support it with some type of evidence to support their claim it is their responsibility to provide it. They can either provide the evidence or decline and rest on what they "believe". You'll note I've never claimed Mobil 1 is the best oil available. If I did I would have some type of evidence to support it.

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Well then...it's your belief against their belief. Neither belief is any more valid than the other until there's supporting evidence.

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You're exactly right. But when one side publicly proclaims something they should have the evidence to back it up or the expertise in the field to obtain it.

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There's evidence in the used oil analysis section, but if BOTH sides refuse to do the work and post it, both sides can just go on believing whatever they want. Like I mentioned before, it's a shared responsibility.

Think of the people who do or finance filter tests, GC test, Particle Counts, etc. They put forth the cash and/or effort to contribute to the community. Can't expect everyone else to prove or disprove your beliefs for you.

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I think this is were we are on different frequencies. I'm not asking anyone to prove my beliefs or. I'm asking them to prove theirs or at the very least offer something.

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All I'm saying is that it's equally fair for someone to ask you to support your beliefs with evidence. Just as it's equally fair for you to ask them to support their beliefs with evidence.

Peace out.

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Sorry I'm not chiming in with actual tech. I just wanted to break the record for quoting.

 

[obbop]

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Would one of you gentlemen, dave1251 or Z ombie please post a link to some of these poor used oil analysis produced by Mobil 1? Could you also please provide your detailed analysis that eliminates all the variables and directly attributes the poor used oil analysis to Mobil 1's poor performance? Thank you in advance.

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Instead of asking OTHER people to prove or disprove a position, why don't YOU do some data analysis? Pick out all the used oil analysis from the past two years that you believe are a fair comparison between M1 and an equivalent brand.

When people claimed that 5w30 conventionals usually sheered down to a 5w20 grade, that's exactly what I did to verify or nullify their claim.

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Because I'm not the one making the unsubstantiated claims. If I did make such a claim and was asked to provide something to back that claim up I would have it available.

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I believe it's more of a shared responsibility. Imagine the case where people just show up and ask for people to "prove" things to them instead of doing some homework on their own.

Further, M1's elevated Fe level has become such a signature trait to those who read a lot of the used oil analysis posted here that's it's even called....well...M1's Fe signature. Even people who have an undying love of all things from EM, like buster, will admit this.

And for the final pièce de résistance, search for Terry's comment. Little nuggets of gold.

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People are asked every day in court to provide evidence to support their claims. Just because someone says it doesn't make it a fact. I think if someone states something as a fact and they are asked to support it with some type of evidence to support their claim it is their responsibility to provide it. They can either provide the evidence or decline and rest on what they "believe". You'll note I've never claimed Mobil 1 is the best oil available. If I did I would have some type of evidence to support it.

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Well then...it's your belief against their belief. Neither belief is any more valid than the other until there's supporting evidence.

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You're exactly right. But when one side publicly proclaims something they should have the evidence to back it up or the expertise in the field to obtain it.

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There's evidence in the used oil analysis section, but if BOTH sides refuse to do the work and post it, both sides can just go on believing whatever they want. Like I mentioned before, it's a shared responsibility.

Think of the people who do or finance filter tests, GC test, Particle Counts, etc. They put forth the cash and/or effort to contribute to the community. Can't expect everyone else to prove or disprove your beliefs for you.

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I think this is were we are on different frequencies. I'm not asking anyone to prove my beliefs or. I'm asking them to prove theirs or at the very least offer something.

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All I'm saying is that it's equally fair for someone to ask you to support your beliefs with evidence. Just as it's equally fair for you to ask them to support their beliefs with evidence.

Peace out.

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Sorry I'm not chiming in with actual tech. I just wanted to break the record for quoting.

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