Mobil 1 better cleaner than AutoRx?

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Aren't those products' advertising campaigns exclusively based on positive testimonials also?


Yes ..and demonstrations in the realm of mass saturation media bombardment. It was the same with the Tornado and everything from K&N gauze air filters and things like enlarged throttle bodies ..along with throttle body spacers.

Most of the aforementioned items produced no or little benefit for great cost merely due to "want". Want in "feel the power!" ..want in "I belong".

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If the product is marketable to the masses, a large producer would be willing to shell out the required sum to buy out the originator/inventor. What makes a product unmarketable, if junk like Duralube can be sold successfully for years and years?


I don't quite agree here. I'd say that if you're willing to spend massive amounts on producing mass marketing for a cheaply produced product, you can do it ..or an expensive one for that matter. The problem with that is you have to either have massive amounts of capital to produce the media blitz on your own, or surrender your product to them for the same unremarkable amount that you can do for yourself.

There are people who swindle "sweat and toil" millionaires all the time. They're running out of marks now, but there's a whole group of people that would have Tempest drooling on how they attain their living. They hang with the right people for the credibility of association ..tell the marks that they can get in on the ground floor of an amazing product ...give them exclusive rights to territories ..and in the fine print have them required to buy a quarter million worth of the product each year to keep their territory. When they're stuck with left over inventory and can't fulfill their contract obligations ..the shark moves on to a new mark.

You can buy any number of celebrities for endorsements regardless of the merit of your product. There's an ante to be paid for this marketing clout. Stuff like Duralube, Prolong, and Zmax were marketing success stories that made millions for the promoters ..

Auto-Rx could make the same kind of money for the same kind of people. It would make very little money for Frank.

As far as the bigger players that expressed interest? They weren't ever going to market Auto-Rx. They were going to use it in blending of products.

But, again, there is no "room" for this to ever be a $12.95 product on the shelf anywhere. Retail needs xx% of mark up ..distribution needs xx% of mark up ..and the producer needs xx% of mark up ..and the basic components (all expensive esters) just can't be shaved to the required costs to allow that, nor can anyone's "handling charges".
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
demonstrations in the realm of mass saturation media bombardment.


We can observe the same approach on a small scale. For example, when nine out of ten posts are about product X.
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
If the product is marketable to the masses, a large producer would be willing to shell out the required sum to buy out the originator/inventor. What makes a product unmarketable, if junk like Duralube can be sold successfully for years and years?

Auto-Rx could make the same kind of money for the same kind of people. It would make very little money for Frank.

As far as the bigger players that expressed interest? They weren't ever going to market Auto-Rx. They were going to use it in blending of products.


I am sure you explained all this to Frank when he was approached by interested parties, or when (if) he was looking for such parties: "Frank, it's unmarketable."
 
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
demonstrations in the realm of mass saturation media bombardment.


We can observe the same approach on a small scale. For example, when nine out of ten posts are about product X.
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This is an Auto-Rx post, is it not? (imagine turning the piece of paper front to back ..sorta like Peter Venkman did when he was testing ESP potential with the babe and the nerd in Ghostbusters) ..but I'm sure there's some appreciation for you bumping it to the top ..now and then ..sooner or later ..eventually
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I am sure you explained all this to Frank when he was approached by interested parties, or when (if) he was looking for such parties: "Frank, it's unmarketable."


I'm sure that he's totally aware of "all that". Frank has always been looking for such parties. It's not some long term enterprise that he's going to navigate to his retirement in the promised land. He's already retired.

If I had the money, I'd buy it. Really. I've got no such demands in such a short window. I have more of the one totally non-renewable resource there is. TIME.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
This is an Auto-Rx post, is it not?


Should have said "threads" then.
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Anyway, I'm glad my stirring the drum is appreciated. On BITOG I'm as TMZ is to Lindsay Lohan.
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Well, in the end I am still convinced that Auto-RX works. It also would be nice if motor oils like Mobil 1 High Mileage cleaned engines but too many people have had good results with Auto-RX for it to not work. All kinds of people at this website in the past have posted their results using Auto-RX. The thing that worries me is what do we use to clean an engine (aside from taking an engine apart and cleaning it) if Auto-RX someday becomes unavailable?

What personally impressed me was after one or two cleanings with Auto-RX a seal leak stopped on a car that I used to own. I had tried other stuff like Valvoline MaxLife and a product that was supposed to stop seal leaks. The leak stopped after I used Auto-RX. It would seem that I should not have had sludge because I had been doing 3000 miles oil changes but apparently I did have some sludge on a gasket.

The story told by a mechanic who used to post here also impressed me. He was a mechanic who specialized in Toyota vehicles and he told about Auto-RX apparently saving the engine in a Toyota car that had a sludged up engine and he thought the engine in the car was finished.

My best guess is a typical engine will be at least somewhat dirty inside after many tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of miles. All the engines I ever saw that had a lot of miles and had been taken apart were at least somewhat dirty on the inside. It would seem to me that a product that would really clean the inside of an engine would potentially add a lot of lifetime to the engine. The fact is a lot of engine problems are due to dirt and sludge. Remove the junk and the engine might run better.

I remember mechanics back in the old days trying to clean engines using automatic transmission fluid.

If Auto-RX should ever become unavailable what do we turn to next? Lubegard Engine Flush? Marvel Mystery Oil? Mobil 1 High Mileage engine oil? Amsoil Engine Flush?
 
The guys in my BMW club and the owner of the biggest indy shop in town want to know why my vehicle runs so much smoother and quieter than others that have less than half the mileage mine has. I might tell them one day. I did pass on the oil used in my manual trans to the indy shop owner when he said "what a sweet g'box" after his test drive. Redline MTL for those interested.
 
Well I used in my 1997 Volvo 960 back in 2005 with 70K miles on it and it worked. I purchased the car with all it's maintenance records with 66K miles. The car had 5K OCI's with conventional dealer bulk oil.

By the time I got it the area under the oil cap looked like someone had coated the camshaft and lifters with dark chocolate. The car also had a rough idle and burned through a quart of oil between 66K and 70K miles.

At 70K I made the decision to do an Auto-Rx cleaning. Well after less than 1000 miles into the cleaning cycle using Castrol GTX the idle smoothed out. After the second rinse cycle the area under the cap was as shinny as a brand new penny. The car also saw about one to one and half mile per gallon improvement during and after the Auto-Rx.

Today I run Mobil One and LC20 in the car.
When my stash of LC20 runs out I'm going to a four ounce maintenance dose of Auto-Rx.

This is a car most owners burn through a least a quart of oil every three to five thousand miles. My OCI's are one year or 6K miles. I add zero oil between changes with 108K miles on the clock. I credit that to the Auto-Rx cleaning up the rings in the engine.

The product works as stated nothing more nothing less.
Why do people have to bad mouth something they have never used?
 
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Well, it seemed to work for me also and it is safer to use than an engine flush. That is all that I know.

Maybe if somebody used Mobil 1 High Mileage the entire time they owned their car or truck and used reasonable OCIs their engine would be spotless inside. I don't know.

Actually I just recently decided to do an Auto-RX cleaning. I am almost done with the cleaning part and the engine does seem to be running better in my car. I still have the rinse part.
 
Well let us know how it works with maybe some before and after photos! Hey, if Mobil 1 HM is the answer we have been looking for than that is great! Easier and cheaper if you can just use a certain brand of oil to keep your engine clean.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
No oil will keep your engine totally clean. When somebody makes one they will be a billionaire and many times over!
I don't know... There are a lot of pictures here and out on the web of engines using specific oils (M1 Pennzoil etc...) for many miles (300K+) and the engines are spotless inside. Even Amsoil dealers have pictures on their website...
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Maybe this is why the oil companies are billionaires like you said?
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Do you have pictures otherwise that can't be attributed to anything but the oil?
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
No oil will keep your engine totally clean. When somebody makes one they will be a billionaire and many times over!


points to electric car that doesn't need motor oil.
 
Originally Posted By: ALS


The product works as stated nothing more nothing less.
Why do people have to bad mouth something they have never used?


For what it's worth, I have used Arx and followed the procedure to the letter. (Frank suggested Super Tech)
I admit it is difficult to asses things like engine smoothness over the long period of treatment and rinses, but all considered, try as I might, even though I wanted to see results, Arx made no discernable difference to my engines performance!
Sorry, I do not cut open oil filters or remove valve covers unless there is a darn good reason.
NO, I did not ask for my money back,
Life is too short to waste arguing with a crusty old sod like Frank.

On the other hand, I have used Pennzoil Syncro MTL in my manual transmission (on two cars) and the results were/are fantastic, and way beyond my expectations.
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Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: ALS


The product works as stated nothing more nothing less.
Why do people have to bad mouth something they have never used?


For what it's worth, I have used Arx and followed the procedure to the letter. (Frank suggested Super Tech)
I admit it is difficult to asses things like engine smoothness over the long period of treatment and rinses, but all considered, try as I might, even though I wanted to see results, Arx made no discernable difference to my engines performance!
Sorry, I do not cut open oil filters or remove valve covers unless there is a darn good reason.
NO, I did not ask for my money back,
Life is too short to waste arguing with a crusty old sod like Frank.
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Same as my experience, and actions. I bought four bottles total, for two vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
No oil will keep your engine totally clean. When somebody makes one they will be a billionaire and many times over!


Exxon-Mobil is the most profitable company of all time, and their products have kept my engine internals "totally clean".
 
Sprintman: if you haven't seen Overkill's engine, how can you possibly know that Mobil oil has not kept that engine clean? He's in Canada and you're in Australia, tell me how I can obtain these magical powers that you possess.
 
Frank tells me that his sales are growing in the down economy. I think that speaks volume about the product. I speak to Frank regularly. Most folks don't realize that Frank put up some money to help the late Tony buy this board. And yes he decided to end his sponsorship. I find it interesting that by far, ARX is the most talked about product in this section, every day.

Frank, has a few people banging on his door currently, wishing to take the company public.

All of the dealing with oil companies and formulators are bound by secrecy agreements.

For anyone to say that Auto-Rx is not marketable, is just not true. Finding the right marketing partners is the key.
 
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