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I was in the Collinsville, Il. WM yesterday and a clerk in automotive came by. I ask him if any of the AP M1 has sold. He told me he was the one that stocked the first AP. When he checked the shelves he noticed one jug had been sold in the two weeks since stocking.
marketing [censored]!
Too expensive for me right now. I want to try it but not at the current price.
And they will bring that oil back with drain oil and ask for their money back. And most likely that jug will wind back up on the shelf. Walmart employees all act like they wish they were somewhere else making eighty grand a year. "Not my job man."
Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
And they will bring that oil back with drain oil and ask for their money back. And most likely that jug will wind back up on the shelf. Walmart employees all act like they wish they were somewhere else making eighty grand a year. "Not my job man."
Somebody needs to remake the classic Jim Croce tune as "Working At The WalMart Blues"...
And they will bring that oil back with drain oil and ask for their money back. And most likely that jug will wind back up on the shelf. Walmart employees all act like they wish they were somewhere else making eighty grand a year. "Not my job man."
Somebody needs to remake the classic Jim Croce tune as "Working At The WalMart Blues"...
My question about their testing is what if I don't drive at a constant speed chained to a chassis dyno? Will the oil still perform? I drive different distances, different conditions and stop and start a lot. I even park my car over night and don't drive it until the next day.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
I even park my car over night and don't drive it until the next day.
Man, you are an extremist.. But you could go one step further and farther: park it in your garage and hook it up to a charger, like in aviation.
This oil, if it is on par with Redline, will sell at the same or better price level. Convenience and a piece of mind of an annual cycle, combined with availability may be a winning combo for the company.
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I wonder, if it's immune to E85. Toyota's guidance on Landcruiser is following:
*The 3UR-FBE (Flex Fuel Tundra / Sequoia) are the exceptions to this new change interval program; these engines have not been approved for the 10,000 mile interval at this time. A 5,000-mile/6-month oil change interval is still required for these vehicles. Also, the Flex Fuel 3UR-FBE requires a 2,500 mile interval when operated on E85.
I even park my car over night and don't drive it until the next day.
Man, you are an extremist.. But you could go one step further and farther: park it in your garage and hook it up to a charger, like in aviation.
This oil, if it is on par with Redline, will sell at the same or better price level. Convenience and a piece of mind of an annual cycle, combined with availability may be a winning combo for the company.
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I wonder, if it's immune to E85. Toyota's guidance on Landcruiser is following:
*The 3UR-FBE (Flex Fuel Tundra / Sequoia) are the exceptions to this new change interval program; these engines have not been approved for the 10,000 mile interval at this time. A 5,000-mile/6-month oil change interval is still required for these vehicles. Also, the Flex Fuel 3UR-FBE requires a 2,500 mile interval when operated on E85.
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Bud_One
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I don't see how running it constantly for 20k miles and then changing the oil , constituting as "real world" data acquisition.
I'd like them to try it over a period of 2 years with normal every day people driving .
I'd like them to try it over a period of 2 years with normal every day people driving .
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Nikki Brown
Originally Posted By: Bud_One
I'd like them to try it over a period of 2 years with normal every day people driving .
But they guarantee the product for 1 year, not 2.
That's the whole point of this product: A ton of miles accumulated in a short amount of time, which means a lot of these miles are easy hwy miles and not much, if any, short tripping and cold starts. Once you go outside of these driving patterns, all bets are off.
This is what they said about their test:
Originally Posted By: XOM
Each vehicle endured a severe duty test cycle on a mileage accumulation dynamometer, and operated under a combination of incline and towing conditions with oil changes every 20,000 miles.
So yeah, even though the engine was under heavy load, it doesn't say anything about cold starts and short tripping, which is when oil (and engine) takes a beating due to excessive fuel dilution and not running at normal operating temperature.
But again, the assumption is that the target customer for this product puts on 20K miles in 1 year or less, which means the customer is doing a lot of hwy miles on a warm engine.
A more impressive product would have been one where they would guarantee 15K miles in 2 years.
I'd like them to try it over a period of 2 years with normal every day people driving .
But they guarantee the product for 1 year, not 2.
That's the whole point of this product: A ton of miles accumulated in a short amount of time, which means a lot of these miles are easy hwy miles and not much, if any, short tripping and cold starts. Once you go outside of these driving patterns, all bets are off.
This is what they said about their test:
Originally Posted By: XOM
Each vehicle endured a severe duty test cycle on a mileage accumulation dynamometer, and operated under a combination of incline and towing conditions with oil changes every 20,000 miles.
So yeah, even though the engine was under heavy load, it doesn't say anything about cold starts and short tripping, which is when oil (and engine) takes a beating due to excessive fuel dilution and not running at normal operating temperature.
But again, the assumption is that the target customer for this product puts on 20K miles in 1 year or less, which means the customer is doing a lot of hwy miles on a warm engine.
A more impressive product would have been one where they would guarantee 15K miles in 2 years.
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Nikki Brown
Really? She is not ugly, but nothing to drool over.
Anyhow, marketing at it's best. We all know most synthetics can easily do 10,000 miles, many probably 15,000.
A lot of people here do annual oil changes (I am debating it on the Scion).
20,000 miles in 1 year, most top shelf syn's could also probably do it.
Having it say so on the bottle (although most will say follow vehicle manufacturers on the bottle) gives them an edge that others don't, the mass market can see it says it on the bottle, instead of having to research it.
At $50 for 5 qts, it will never see inside my engine.
Nikki Brown
Really? She is not ugly, but nothing to drool over.
Anyhow, marketing at it's best. We all know most synthetics can easily do 10,000 miles, many probably 15,000.
A lot of people here do annual oil changes (I am debating it on the Scion).
20,000 miles in 1 year, most top shelf syn's could also probably do it.
Having it say so on the bottle (although most will say follow vehicle manufacturers on the bottle) gives them an edge that others don't, the mass market can see it says it on the bottle, instead of having to research it.
At $50 for 5 qts, it will never see inside my engine.
Originally Posted By: blupupher
20,000 miles in 1 year, most top shelf syn's could also probably do it.
Their own M1 0w-40 could have done it for years, based on the long life specs that it carries, and it is half the price.
20,000 miles in 1 year, most top shelf syn's could also probably do it.
Their own M1 0w-40 could have done it for years, based on the long life specs that it carries, and it is half the price.
Originally Posted By: Y_K
This oil, if it is on par with Redline, will sell at the same or better price level. Convenience and a piece of mind of an annual cycle, combined with availability may be a winning combo for the company.
I pay less for my Red Line this this new M1 oil and true Red Line is not available like Mobil 1 oils but I buy it by the case and really enjoy the drive to Fallbrook and talking with the owner and his son where I buy my oil and other fluids. I use the Red Line in my 4Runner because it gets worked hard and this oil works really well on 10K intervals. It's close enough to my usual annual mileage of 12-14K that I could extend it to a year.
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This oil, if it is on par with Redline, will sell at the same or better price level. Convenience and a piece of mind of an annual cycle, combined with availability may be a winning combo for the company.
I pay less for my Red Line this this new M1 oil and true Red Line is not available like Mobil 1 oils but I buy it by the case and really enjoy the drive to Fallbrook and talking with the owner and his son where I buy my oil and other fluids. I use the Red Line in my 4Runner because it gets worked hard and this oil works really well on 10K intervals. It's close enough to my usual annual mileage of 12-14K that I could extend it to a year.
Red Line UOA
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: blupupher
20,000 miles in 1 year, most top shelf syn's could also probably do it.
Their own M1 0w-40 could have done it for years, based on the long life specs that it carries, and it is half the price.
True, but you're talking about a higher viscosity and oil with a SA of 1.34 vs .8.
M1 is the only long drain oil I know of that meets GF-5/SN and has a SA of .8, which is great for modern GDI engines and LSPI issues. Mobil has been head of the curve here. IMO.
Originally Posted By: blupupher
20,000 miles in 1 year, most top shelf syn's could also probably do it.
Their own M1 0w-40 could have done it for years, based on the long life specs that it carries, and it is half the price.
True, but you're talking about a higher viscosity and oil with a SA of 1.34 vs .8.
M1 is the only long drain oil I know of that meets GF-5/SN and has a SA of .8, which is great for modern GDI engines and LSPI issues. Mobil has been head of the curve here. IMO.
Originally Posted By: buster
True, but you're talking about a higher viscosity and oil with a SA of 1.34 vs .8.
True.
I'm just saying they could have labeled M1 0w-40 "Annual Protection" too, if they wanted to.
True, but you're talking about a higher viscosity and oil with a SA of 1.34 vs .8.
True.
I'm just saying they could have labeled M1 0w-40 "Annual Protection" too, if they wanted to.
You are fortunate to have a good price on RL. In fact, you could easily use 10W-30 in your climate and extend your interval. As for durability of oil, didn't we have a UOA with Total Quartz in a super shredder Audi going over 22k miles with excellent results? I realize that it is thicker than any M1 AP with higher SAP numbers, but still it was a good illustration of capability modern oil formulation provide.
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