Mobil 1 Annual Protection - No Dexos1 gen2 cert?

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I bought a jug of Mobil 1 AP 0w20 at a local Walmart tonight. The jug does not show Dexos1 Gen 2 approval. I thought all Mobil 1 Annual Performance grades were Dexos1 gen2 approved from Day 1. I have also sent an email to ExxonMobil requesting clarification.
 
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Annual protection has never been Gen 1 approved because it wasn't even produced when Gen 1 was the certification. The DEXOS license number shows and proves that it's a Gen 2 product: D10108GH015. All of the Mobil Annual Protection offerings are Gen 2 certified per General Motors and Mobil.
 
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That's the correct answer here. The D in the approval number shows it is Dexos gen 2 approved. I have the exact same deal with my Mobil Super Synthetic 5w30. It has the Dexos approval gen 2 on it. But has the old logo on the front of the container.
 
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And this would be important to the OP for what reason? I own GM vehicles and I don't even care about Dexos rated, even more so regarding Gen 2.
 
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
I bought a jug of Mobil 1 AP 0w20 at a local Walmart tonight. The jug does not show Dexos1 Gen 2 approval. I thought all Mobil 1 Annual Performance grades were Dexos1 gen2 approved from Day 1. I have also sent an email to ExxonMobil requesting clarification.
And why did you want to pay a premium price for only 5000 miles more so called protection? Just curious, I know it's your money. Your engine will never know the difference.
 
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I just purchased a jug of Valvoline Advanced Synthetic 0w-20 at Wallys. It’s in the new jug with the new labeling but only has the dexos 1st gen logo. The approval number is D10196GL103. So it is gen 2 certified. I wonder why the logo hasn’t been changed? Perhaps because the jugs are used on various grades of which some are not dexos?
 

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I’ll agree with this logic when every brand out there is willing to put mileage on the jug. I like many run half of what M1 EP states and it’s no big deal … AP is needing another “Rollback” …
 
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The AP oils have had Gen 2 licenses since the get go, I suspect they couldn't label the initial jugs as such because the spec had not officially gone live yet (although testing for it had been going on for some time). I also suspect that AP jugs are moving so slowly that there is not much opportunity for new jugs with Gen 2 labelling to hit the shelves, assuming XOM has actually made any. The AP I bought was a decent deal, $40 with a $10 WM gift card that got used fast plus a $12 rebate. I bought it because it was the only 5W30 at WM with a Gen 2 license at the time (LSPI before posters chime in asking why I care about Gen 2).
 
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The other day when I bought my oil I noticed the shelf space allotted to AP was much smaller than before. In fact I would say it was about 1/3rd of the space it had when it debuted. Also there was far more Valvoline AS w MLT than there was VAS. The overall selection is way down from say a year ago.
 
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Originally Posted By: FowVay
Annual protection has never been Gen 1 approved because it wasn't even produced when Gen 1 was the certification. The DEXOS license number shows and proves that it's a Gen 2 product: D10108GH015. All of the Mobil Annual Protection offerings are Gen 2 certified per General Motors and Mobil.
Originally Posted By: bbhero
That's the correct answer here. The D in the approval number shows it is Dexos gen 2 approved. I have the exact same deal with my Mobil Super Synthetic 5w30. It has the Dexos approval gen 2 on it. But has the old logo on the front of the container.
Thanks!
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Just curious, I know it's your money. Your engine will never know the difference.
From a pure financial standpoint, AP does not make much sense over EP. But AP does contain the latest additive technology and I am interested in running an extended drain on AP with one of my cars.
 
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Please post your results. I don’t think I have seen any results from anyone using AP yet.
I have a sump full of it in the Honda, it has about 7500 miles on it right now. I plan to sample it at 10,000 and then perhaps 15,000 (I’m planning to run it 20,000 unless something shows up in the samples. It will be over a year old before it hits 20,000. I think “btanchors” is also running it.
 
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Originally Posted By: FowVay
Annual protection has never been Gen 1 approved because it wasn't even produced when Gen 1 was the certification. The DEXOS license number shows and proves that it's a Gen 2 product: D10108GH015. All of the Mobil Annual Protection offerings are Gen 2 certified per General Motors and Mobil.
I know exactly what you're saying here and I'm going to be nitpicky anyway, I think anything that passed the Gen 2 testing was also Gen 1 licensed by default since Gen 2 is a superset of Gen 1...Gen 2 is all the Gen 1 tests plus some new tests. This is why XOM could say dexos1 approved but show a Gen 2 license # on AP before Gen 2 was GM's official standard, by meeting Gen 2 it also met the older spec by default. BTW, apologies to all in advance because I am not going to get a UOA done on my AP...I'm not planning to run it again (barring a major price drop and a lot more hard data from XOM or the PQIA on its characteristics) given that there are so many other Gen 2 oils to pick from at WM now.
 
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Mobil and GM have a very long history … rest assured the formulations get to Camp Dexos long before they have picked the new plastic bottle …
 
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