Mobil 1 AFE - Mass State Police

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: modularv8
Originally Posted By: Trav
Well then either Caterham is wrong (god forbid) or ford is specing 0w20 for the panther cars. Which is it?


I think some folks are confusing the oem oil recommendation with oil specification. The Ford recommendation is 5w-20, the current "spec" is WSS-M2C945-A. WSS-M2C945-A includes everything an oil has to meet for certification. Any oil meeting this specification meets Ford's warranty requirements for a given oil recommendation.


FWIW, the AFE 0w30 also meets WSS-M2C946-A.

 

[oldmaninsc]

Originally Posted By: Trav

Ford does NOT spec 0w20 for any Panther so if Mobil is not going by Ford specs anyway then why is it automatically assumed that they would use 0w20?

By the same token Ford doesn't "spec" 0W-30 for any Panther either.

Originally Posted By: Trav
If Mobil is providing this in bulk is it not possible that Mobil blended something in the middle using these two products to meet a goal that will work with all vehicles in the fleet?

WOW - if that isn't speculation then I don't know what is. Pot, meet the kettle.

 

[Bgallagher]

quote=oldmaninsc]
Originally Posted By: Trav

Ford does NOT spec 0w20 for any Panther so if Mobil is not going by Ford specs anyway then why is it automatically assumed that they would use 0w20?

By the same token Ford doesn't "spec" 0W-30 for any Panther either.

Originally Posted By: Trav
If Mobil is providing this in bulk is it not possible that Mobil blended something in the middle using these two products to meet a goal that will work with all vehicles in the fleet?

WOW - if that isn't speculation then I don't know what is. Pot, meet the kettle.

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They are going to use bulk 0w-30 in everything. I worked a few summers for the state and they used bulk 15w-40 in EVERYTHING from lawnmowers to cars to trucks. I would take 0w-30 over 15w-40 in terms of all weather protection and gas mileage.

 

[modularv8]

+1

 

[TFB1]

As far as I know NO Ford modular 4.6 has ever been speced for 0W-20, was 5W-30 from '91 till the '01 models and 5W-20 from that point forward...

 

[Trav]

Big difference between a question and speculation. You and modular v8 need to read before posting.
It had been mentioned by Molakule that they may be providing it in bulk.
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By the same token Ford doesn't "spec" 0W-30 for any Panther either.


Thats well known. So why did they mention 0w20 & 0w30 in the article?

 

[RF Overlord]

Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
They are going to use bulk 0w-30 in everything.
You know this for a fact? If so, how?

Not trying to be argumentative, I just want to know the final answer, as does everyone else on this thread, I'm sure...

 

[JOD]

May I humbly suggest that if someone really wants to know, they could just contact MA's police facilities management and simply ask them what grade of oil they're using in their police cars? I can't imagine this is highly classified information.

The information at the beginning of the thread is nothing more than a marketing blurb, so I don't think I'd extrapolate what grade they're using from the information provided. Sure, if they were truly interested in the most fuel-efficient oil they've be using 0W20 or 5W20 over 0W30, but there's not enough info here to *know* anything.

On another note regarding fuel dilution, don't the P71's have something different programmed into the ECU regarding idle speed to compensate for this (higher or variable idle?), or am I misremembering on this one?

 

[Bgallagher]

Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
They are going to use bulk 0w-30 in everything.
You know this for a fact? If so, how?

Not trying to be argumentative, I just want to know the final answer, as does everyone else on this thread, I'm sure...


As I cannot speak for what the State Police will be using for their vehicles, I can tell you that when I worked summers at another state agency that 15w-40 Shell was used in ALL VEHICLES. Regardless of vehicle type, recommendations or warranty specs. Given this experience I would assume that either 0w-20 or most likely 0w-30 would used in all vehicles as it will be bulk, and avaiable.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
They are going to use bulk 0w-30 in everything.
You know this for a fact? If so, how?

Not trying to be argumentative, I just want to know the final answer, as does everyone else on this thread, I'm sure...


As I cannot speak for what the State Police will be using for their vehicles, I can tell you that when I worked summers at another state agency that 15w-40 Shell was used in ALL VEHICLES. Regardless of vehicle type, recommendations or warranty specs. Given this experience I would assume that either 0w-20 or most likely 0w-30 would used in all vehicles as it will be bulk, and avaiable.


So in other words, you're stating something as fact, but in reality you're speculating like everyone else. Just sayin'...

 

[oldmaninsc]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Big difference between a question and speculation. You and modular v8 need to read before posting.
It had been mentioned by Molakule that they may be providing it in bulk.
Quote:
By the same token Ford doesn't "spec" 0W-30 for any Panther either.


Thats well known. So why did they mention 0w20 & 0w30 in the article?

Thanks, Trav. That's the best laugh I'd had in a while!

 

[Bgallagher]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
They are going to use bulk 0w-30 in everything.
You know this for a fact? If so, how?

Not trying to be argumentative, I just want to know the final answer, as does everyone else on this thread, I'm sure...


As I cannot speak for what the State Police will be using for their vehicles, I can tell you that when I worked summers at another state agency that 15w-40 Shell was used in ALL VEHICLES. Regardless of vehicle type, recommendations or warranty specs. Given this experience I would assume that either 0w-20 or most likely 0w-30 would used in all vehicles as it will be bulk, and avaiable.


So in other words, you're stating something as fact, but in reality you're speculating like everyone else. Just sayin'...


Whatever

 

[Trav]

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That's the best laugh I'd had in a while!

Happy to oblige you have been giving me laughs this whole thread.

 

[Capa]

So, since everyone is speculating (including Trav), wouldn't it be reasonable to assume (I know) that if those vehicles call for 5W-30 that 0W-30 would be used and that if they call for 5W-20 and then 0W-20 would be used?

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: Capa
So, since everyone is speculating (including Trav), wouldn't it be reasonable to assume (I know) that if those vehicles call for 5W-30 that 0W-30 would be used and that if they call for 5W-20 and then 0W-20 would be used?

Capa now you're being way too logical.
Wi8th that sort of reasoning this thread should have ended on page 2!

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Capa
So, since everyone is speculating (including Trav), wouldn't it be reasonable to assume (I know) that if those vehicles call for 5W-30 that 0W-30 would be used and that if they call for 5W-20 and then 0W-20 would be used?

Capa now you're being way too logical.
Wi8th that sort of reasoning this thread should have ended on page 2!

Exactly.

 

[Trav]

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So, since everyone is speculating (including Trav),

I did not speculate anything i asked questions course some folks don't know the difference.

 

[Trav]

You were the first one in this thread that started the speculation.
You stated things as fact when it was never written in the article.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Trav
You were the first one in this thread that started the speculation.
You stated things as fact when it was never written in the article.


I agree. Keep in mind, I think his speculation is logical and probably correct, but it's still speculation based on some marketing fluff.

Personally, I really don't care what the state of MA uses in their cars, but since folks seem to care 8 pages worth, someone should just make a call! That said, it doesn't "prove" anything to me either way, since fleets have all sort of compromises they have to make, ones which don't apply to me since I have 1 1/2 working cars.

 

[Trav]

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I think his speculation is logical and probably correct, but it's still speculation based on some marketing fluff.


Exactly. I agree with that.