Mobil 1 AFE - Mass State Police

[phenix78_99]

Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
They'd get better economy not driving 90MPH everywhere.
AMEN! They FLY down the highway. Easily 85+ MPH alll the time.
I see it all the time...85 MPH with no lights on. Must be 2-for-1 at Dunk's...
There are many reasons to go faster than the other cars on the road, one of which is to cover your patrol area and not see the same pack of knuckleheads doing the speed limit until your vic is out of view (yes, that trick is well known). Everyone hates cops until they need them. You guys obviously know NOTHING about being a cop...it's probably best you all stick to discussing oil.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: phenix78_99
Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
They'd get better economy not driving 90MPH everywhere.
AMEN! They FLY down the highway. Easily 85+ MPH alll the time.
I see it all the time...85 MPH with no lights on. Must be 2-for-1 at Dunk's...
There are many reasons to go faster than the other cars on the road, one of which is to cover your patrol area and not see the same pack of knuckleheads doing the speed limit until your vic is out of view (yes, that trick is well known). Everyone hates cops until they need them. You guys obviously know NOTHING about being a cop...it's probably best you all stick to discussing oil.

phenix
I fully agree with you.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: modularv8
Originally Posted By: Artem
Mobil 1 did 4 years worth of testing to determine that their oil will protect the engine in the SEVERE duty that they see daily before agreeing to give their warranty / guarantee. Took them long enough

It can take more than a decade for a motor oil to go from development, field testing, certification, possible reformulation/tweeking, then final launch. What you see today on the market was started a very long time ago. Pennzoil was studying the development of motor oil formulations that target cleanliness since the early 90s. Pennzoil felt that engine cleanliness was critical to efficient engine operation and durability; industry studies support that view.


Good point.

 

[buster]

Quote:
Mobil 1 did 4 years worth of testing to determine that their oil will protect the engine in the SEVERE duty that they see daily before agreeing to give their warranty / guarantee. Took them long enough


That's a good thing isn't it? I like to see significant testing done to validate performance.

All of the major additive companies and oil companies do all the leg work anyway in developing the technology.

 

[methusaleh]

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Do those sneaky MSP still use confiscated vehicles for speed traps? I recall seeing a 90's vintage, green Mustang with no markings other than the lights and bars in the front of the car pulling someone over more than once when I used to drive through every few months.


The green unmarked Mustang was a police package vehicle out of C6 barracks, the Holden sub-station. It was not confiscated. It was taken out of service and went up for auction about ten years ago.

One of my best friends is an MSP Fleet Section technician...I can't wait to ask him about this Mobil situation! I bet they gave MSP lots of free oil in order to "gently pursuade" them to choose their brand...hmm...

 

[Trav]

Quote:
I think it's cool the MSP selected a 0W-20 grade over the 5W-20 grade that's spec'd by Ford.

Show me where it says 0w20 is being used in that article. It does not!
How do you know Mobil didn't spec AFE 0w30 because of severe operating conditions?
Don't say it obvious because Ford specs a 5w20 and that 0w20 is the obvious choice because 0w20 isn't spec'd either.
Pure assumption on your part.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: methusaleh


The green unmarked Mustang was a police package vehicle out of C6 barracks, the Holden sub-station. It was not confiscated. It was taken out of service and went up for auction about ten years ago.
...


Interesting, thank you...

 

[Hounds]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
I think it's cool the MSP selected a 0W-20 grade over the 5W-20 grade that's spec'd by Ford.

Show me where it says 0w20 is being used in that article. It does not!
How do you know Mobil didn't spec AFE 0w30 because of severe operating conditions?
Don't say it obvious because Ford specs a 5w20 and that 0w20 is the obvious choice because 0w20 isn't spec'd either.
Pure assumption on your part.

Trav, I think you're on to something here.

I went back to the original press release (and all the others) and none of them state that the MSP are running 0W-20 weight AFE motor oil. It could well be 0W-30 weight. And I sure would like to know which it is.

 

[modularv8]

Fleets run whatever the vehicle manufacturer recommends. With 2500 vehicles with mostly a mix of Ford and Chrysler products, I tend to believe both grades of M1 AFE will be used.

 

[Trav]

Well then either Caterham is wrong (god forbid) or ford is specing 0w20 for the panther cars. Which is it?

 

[modularv8]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Well then either Caterham is wrong (god forbid) or ford is specing 0w20 for the panther cars. Which is it?


M1 0w-20 meets Ford WSS-M2C945-A, so it is fine.

 

[Trav]

This is for a 2010 panther no where does it spec 0w anything.
So it seems like they are not following the manufactures spec but Mobils recommendation anyway.
That being the case who can say with certainty that Mobil didn't recommend AFE 0w30 because of the severe conditions?

I know a lot of folks would like it if they were but at this point its a totally unproven assumption. Page 264

http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pubs/content/~WOACRO/~MUS~LEN/41/10croog2e.pdf

 

[modularv8]

Originally Posted By: Trav
This is for a 2010 panther no where does it spec 0w anything.
So it seems like they are not following the manufactures spec but Mobils recommendation anyway.
That being the case who can say with certainty that Mobil didn't recommend AFE 0w30 because of the severe conditions?

I know a lot of folks would like it if they were but at this point its a totally unproven assumption. Page 264

http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pubs/content/~WOACRO/~MUS~LEN/41/10croog2e.pdf



I agree. Only the fleet people know what they are pouring in.

 

[CATERHAM]

Except that if the AFE 0W-30 was used (HTHSV 3.0cP) the claim to "help fleet efficiency .... etc", wouldn't make a lot sense over the spec' 5W-20.
AFE 0W-20 with it's higher than average HTHSV of 2.7cP for the grade would be the logical M1 AFE oil that is being used.

 

[modularv8]

I agree it is logical and makes the most sense that they would use 0w-20. Fleet maintenance generally follow the oil recommendation. There is no reason why they wouldn't in this case. But Trav was referring to the article and it is true that the article did not mention what grade/grades would be used. Either way, I believe they will use both grades and Mobil will get a boost in the marketing of the AFE line.

BTW, M1 0w20 was/is GM4718 certified which says alot about a 20 wt meeting the specs of a high performance 30 wt. GM4718 is a tough standard to meet and is only achievable with the very best base fluids. A 20wt to meet it would essentially be mostly PAO because of the volatility, WPD, and viscosity increase/oxidation limits of GM4718.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Hounds
Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
I think it's cool the MSP selected a 0W-20 grade over the 5W-20 grade that's spec'd by Ford.

Show me where it says 0w20 is being used in that article. It does not!
How do you know Mobil didn't spec AFE 0w30 because of severe operating conditions?
Don't say it obvious because Ford specs a 5w20 and that 0w20 is the obvious choice because 0w20 isn't spec'd either.
Pure assumption on your part.

Trav, I think you're on to something here.

I went back to the original press release (and all the others) and none of them state that the MSP are running 0W-20 weight AFE motor oil. It could well be 0W-30 weight. And I sure would like to know which it is.



Me too, but then the thick vs. thin war would start again.

 

[Trav]

Quote:
M1 0w20 was/is GM4718 certified which says alot about a 20 wt meeting the specs of a high performance 30 wt.

Can you show me where that is?
All i see is..

According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W-20 Advanced Fuel Economy is of the following quality level:
Ford WSS-M2C930-A
General Motors GM 6094M
API

If i understand this correctly this does not mean it meets the spec, it is a quality level and in no way implies it can be used in a GM vehicle.
Is that right?

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-20_Advanced_Fuel_Economy.aspx

 

[buster]

The SM version was on the GM 4718M list and it used to be on the bottle and PDS. The 0w30 is GM 4718M so the 0w20 SN would most likely be too. It's basically the same oil just thicker.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: buster
The SM version was on the GM 4718M list and it used to be on the bottle and PDS. The 0w30 is GM 4718M so the 0w20 SN would most likely be too. It's basically the same oil just thicker.


Often M1 oils will meet this or that spec but it's not listed because of the nature of the target buyer. For example: M1 0-20 SM did meet the 4718 spec as did the 5-30. Also the 5-30EP meet the 4718 and HTO-06 spec but their target buyer was the long drain croud not the Honda turbo or Corvette drivers. Of course Reg M1 5-30 was the oil spec'd for those engines. Lots of nay sayers here.

 

[Trav]

Not a naysayer i just pay attention to what i read and don't read what i would like into it instead of what is actually written.
Quote:
the 0w20 SN would most likely be too

Pure assumption and speculation nothing more or less.

From the article..
Quote:
ExxonMobil engineers examined the department’s equipment and vehicles, recommending the appropriate lubricants for each vehicle and providing the Mobil 1 limited warranty for their use, which is valid for up to 10,000 mile oil change intervals.

Maybe 0w20 is stable as a rock when new but not when its diluted with fuel. Police cars operate hours on end at idle a condition which promotes fuel dilution.
Could it be Mobil has taken this into consideration and possibly spec'd the 0w30 to compensate for this? After all they are the ones carrying the engine warranty.

Who can say they didn't blend 20 and 30w to provide a little better protection from dilution while maintaining the fuel economy benefits for the most part.
Are they even supplying bottles or is it bulk? Unless someone is privy to the details anything other than what is in the article is pure assumption.