Mobil 1 AFE - Mass State Police
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Not a naysayer i just pay attention to what i read and don't read what i would like into it instead of what is actually written.
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the 0w20 SN would most likely be too
Pure assumption and speculation nothing more or less.
From the article..
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ExxonMobil engineers examined the department’s equipment and vehicles, recommending the appropriate lubricants for each vehicle and providing the Mobil 1 limited warranty for their use, which is valid for up to 10,000 mile oil change intervals.
Maybe 0w20 is stable as a rock when new but not when its diluted with fuel. Police cars operate hours on end at idle a condition which promotes fuel dilution.
Could it be Mobil has taken this into consideration and possibly spec'd the 0w30 to compensate for this? After all they are the ones carrying the engine warranty.
Who can say they didn't blend 20 and 30w to provide a little better protection from dilution while maintaining the fuel economy benefits for the most part.
Are they even supplying bottles or is it bulk? Unless someone is privy to the details anything other than what is in the article is pure assumption.
Lots of speculation on your part. We do know the oil is AFE which is either 0-20 or 0-30. Not much differance in the two. Not like they might using 40-50 wt. Also they are running 10K OCI. Now wouldn't you think that the maint. people responsible for this program and the M1 techs would consider idle time, WOT time, etc. Also Ford specs 5-20 and most CV cruisers use that around the country. Be interesting to see the results.
Not a naysayer i just pay attention to what i read and don't read what i would like into it instead of what is actually written.
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the 0w20 SN would most likely be too
Pure assumption and speculation nothing more or less.
From the article..
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ExxonMobil engineers examined the department’s equipment and vehicles, recommending the appropriate lubricants for each vehicle and providing the Mobil 1 limited warranty for their use, which is valid for up to 10,000 mile oil change intervals.
Maybe 0w20 is stable as a rock when new but not when its diluted with fuel. Police cars operate hours on end at idle a condition which promotes fuel dilution.
Could it be Mobil has taken this into consideration and possibly spec'd the 0w30 to compensate for this? After all they are the ones carrying the engine warranty.
Who can say they didn't blend 20 and 30w to provide a little better protection from dilution while maintaining the fuel economy benefits for the most part.
Are they even supplying bottles or is it bulk? Unless someone is privy to the details anything other than what is in the article is pure assumption.
Lots of speculation on your part. We do know the oil is AFE which is either 0-20 or 0-30. Not much differance in the two. Not like they might using 40-50 wt. Also they are running 10K OCI. Now wouldn't you think that the maint. people responsible for this program and the M1 techs would consider idle time, WOT time, etc. Also Ford specs 5-20 and most CV cruisers use that around the country. Be interesting to see the results.
I speculated nothing! Please read my post!!!
The words Maybe and Who knows have meanings.
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Also they are running 10K OCI. Now wouldn't you think that the maint. people responsible for this program and the M1 techs would consider idle time, WOT time, etc
Good God man read my post!
The words Maybe and Who knows have meanings.
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Also they are running 10K OCI. Now wouldn't you think that the maint. people responsible for this program and the M1 techs would consider idle time, WOT time, etc
Good God man read my post!
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How?
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Maybe 0w20 is stable as a rock when new but not when its diluted with fuel
I said it maybe stable as a rock. If you believe whats posted on BITOG and what Caterham says about 0w20 this would be true would it not? BTW i do believe this to be true also.
Any oil diluted with fuel is not the same as undiluted oil.
Not speculation.
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Police cars operate hours on end at idle a condition which promotes fuel dilution.
Fact not speculation
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Could it be Mobil has taken this into consideration and possibly spec'd the 0w30 to compensate for this?
Phrased in the form of a question. Also not speculation.
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After all they are the ones carrying the engine warranty.
According to the article this is true. Also not speculation.
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Maybe 0w20 is stable as a rock when new but not when its diluted with fuel
I said it maybe stable as a rock. If you believe whats posted on BITOG and what Caterham says about 0w20 this would be true would it not? BTW i do believe this to be true also.
Any oil diluted with fuel is not the same as undiluted oil.
Not speculation.
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Police cars operate hours on end at idle a condition which promotes fuel dilution.
Fact not speculation
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Could it be Mobil has taken this into consideration and possibly spec'd the 0w30 to compensate for this?
Phrased in the form of a question. Also not speculation.
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After all they are the ones carrying the engine warranty.
According to the article this is true. Also not speculation.
I know a Mass State Trooper that lives in town. We were commenting on how quiet the engine was the other day. He didn't know what oil they were using, but he said the cars are running stronger, smoother than they ever had before. He's idling for hours at a time. Other times 130mph minutes after a cold startup. He's blown 2 engines over the years, will check in a while to see how its holding up.
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Are they even supplying bottles or is it bulk? Unless someone is privy to the details anything other than what is in the article is pure assumption.
I would bet Mobil has a local distributor that is supplying the oil in 55 Gal. drums or Totes.
Are they even supplying bottles or is it bulk? Unless someone is privy to the details anything other than what is in the article is pure assumption.
I would bet Mobil has a local distributor that is supplying the oil in 55 Gal. drums or Totes.
Slightly off topic, but I work for the utility company in NYC and Westchester County in NY. Eight years ago the switch was made from Exxon 15w-40 dino for the entire fleet of gas and diesel vehicles at 6 month oil changes to Amsoil 5w-30 ASL for the gas part of the fleet and Amsoil 15w-40 Marine & Diesel for the diesel part of the fleet with 12 month oil changes. Lots of stop and go driving and extended idling in extreme hot and cold weather conditions. No 100 mph plus driving as a police fleet (at least there shouldn't be) with no adverse effect to the engines. Change was made to reduce time out of service and to reduce the enviromental impact of used oil. It has been a success. The idea of using recycled oil was rejected as it would go back to 6 month oil changes and increase the enviromental impact used motor oil. Corporations nowadays think green. Government agencies and corporations are similar in that they are both spending other peoples money.
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Originally Posted By: Trav
That being the case who can say with certainty that Mobil didn't recommend AFE 0w30 because of the severe conditions?
Why would Mobil do that? That would mean Mobil doesn't have confidence in their M1 AFE 0w-20, but they want you to buy it. That is nonsense. Fleets follow manufacturer recommendations. As for police fleets, their maintenance department follow the vehicle's OLM. If it doesn't have one, then they are fitted with an idle meter. Both Chrysler and Ford have determined that 1 hour of idle time = 33 miles of normal driving. If a vehicle calls for a 7500 mile ODI (normal service) and has 100 hours of idle time, then the oil is changed at 4200 miles (7500 - 3300 = 4200). Fuel dilution isn't a problem for an engine whose oil is at normal operating temperature; police tend to leave their vehicles running, except during lunch-time. Fuel dilution below 2.5% is still not a problem for any grade and is mostly a problem with DI engines in severe service. Anyway, fleet maintenance follows the manufacturer's recommeded ODI for normal/severe service. Mobil only warranties the oil up to 10k miles.
BTW, the Texas Highway Patrol does not have a centralized maintenance department because of the size of Texas. All fleet vehicles are maintained primarily by dealerships in the operating area of the trooper. The Texas fleet are mostly Fords, so you bet the Ford service departments are pouring 5w-20 into those engines. The same applies to the Dodge vehicles that call for 5w-20.
That being the case who can say with certainty that Mobil didn't recommend AFE 0w30 because of the severe conditions?
Why would Mobil do that? That would mean Mobil doesn't have confidence in their M1 AFE 0w-20, but they want you to buy it. That is nonsense. Fleets follow manufacturer recommendations. As for police fleets, their maintenance department follow the vehicle's OLM. If it doesn't have one, then they are fitted with an idle meter. Both Chrysler and Ford have determined that 1 hour of idle time = 33 miles of normal driving. If a vehicle calls for a 7500 mile ODI (normal service) and has 100 hours of idle time, then the oil is changed at 4200 miles (7500 - 3300 = 4200). Fuel dilution isn't a problem for an engine whose oil is at normal operating temperature; police tend to leave their vehicles running, except during lunch-time. Fuel dilution below 2.5% is still not a problem for any grade and is mostly a problem with DI engines in severe service. Anyway, fleet maintenance follows the manufacturer's recommeded ODI for normal/severe service. Mobil only warranties the oil up to 10k miles.
BTW, the Texas Highway Patrol does not have a centralized maintenance department because of the size of Texas. All fleet vehicles are maintained primarily by dealerships in the operating area of the trooper. The Texas fleet are mostly Fords, so you bet the Ford service departments are pouring 5w-20 into those engines. The same applies to the Dodge vehicles that call for 5w-20.
Is the MB1 only being used in Crown Vics OR the entire fleet inclu. Chargers, Tahoes, or the new Caprice?
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Why would Mobil do that? That would mean Mobil doesn't have confidence in their M1 AFE 0w-20, but they want you to buy it. That is nonsense.
There is a big difference in assuming, theorizing, and thinking something and proving it.
So prove it and post anything that says they are using 0w20 or stop wasting my time by directing your responses to me.
Why would Mobil do that? That would mean Mobil doesn't have confidence in their M1 AFE 0w-20, but they want you to buy it. That is nonsense.
There is a big difference in assuming, theorizing, and thinking something and proving it.
So prove it and post anything that says they are using 0w20 or stop wasting my time by directing your responses to me.
Its too early early in the AM to get your knickers in a knot, You yammer on about Texas police cars being serviced at the dealer and making blanket statements about what all fleets use.
I know the mechanic that services a large Police car fleet in house, in central Ma. They were all panthers now there are a few different ones in there.
Every one of them was and still is running dino 5w30. So don't tell me this about all fleets using spec oil, its a blatant falsehood.
In this case it was what the shop manager ordered in bulk.
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I already said only the MHP knows what they are pouring into their cars
Like i said neither do i so what do you keep going on about it.
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your posts seem to carry a strong negative tone with anyone that you don't agree with. But I do agree your posts are a waste of time.
Getting down with personal attacks are you.
You have no idea what a strong negative tone is. This is as civil as it gets.
I know the mechanic that services a large Police car fleet in house, in central Ma. They were all panthers now there are a few different ones in there.
Every one of them was and still is running dino 5w30. So don't tell me this about all fleets using spec oil, its a blatant falsehood.
In this case it was what the shop manager ordered in bulk.
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I already said only the MHP knows what they are pouring into their cars
Like i said neither do i so what do you keep going on about it.
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your posts seem to carry a strong negative tone with anyone that you don't agree with. But I do agree your posts are a waste of time.
Getting down with personal attacks are you.
You have no idea what a strong negative tone is. This is as civil as it gets.
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Originally Posted By: Trav
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Why would Mobil do that? That would mean Mobil doesn't have confidence in their M1 AFE 0w-20, but they want you to buy it. That is nonsense.
There is a big difference in assuming, theorizing, and thinking something and proving it.
So prove it and post anything that says they are using 0w20 or stop wasting my time by directing your responses to me.
Trav, you keep on using the same line of argument while you, yourself, continue to assume, theorize, without any proof as well. As so many have already stated, nobody knows for sure but more than likely those vehicles received what the manufacturers recommend since that is by far the norm. It is too bad that your biased view against thin oils have closed your eyes.
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Why would Mobil do that? That would mean Mobil doesn't have confidence in their M1 AFE 0w-20, but they want you to buy it. That is nonsense.
There is a big difference in assuming, theorizing, and thinking something and proving it.
So prove it and post anything that says they are using 0w20 or stop wasting my time by directing your responses to me.
Trav, you keep on using the same line of argument while you, yourself, continue to assume, theorize, without any proof as well. As so many have already stated, nobody knows for sure but more than likely those vehicles received what the manufacturers recommend since that is by far the norm. It is too bad that your biased view against thin oils have closed your eyes.
Ok i'm calling you two out. Show me anywhere in this thread where i theorized, speculated anything. Caterham started this nonsense when he claimed without any proof that they were using 0w20 based on what was in that article and his followers got right in line as usual.
I have no idea what they are using they may well be using 0w20 or 0w30 who knows.
IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT GRADE IN THE ARTICLE. PERIOD!
If people cant to read whats in black and white thats their problem.
Ford does NOT spec 0w20 for any Panther so if Mobil is not going by Ford specs anyway then why is it automatically assumed that they would use 0w20?
If Mobil is providing this in bulk is it not possible that Mobil blended something in the middle using these two products to meet a goal that will work with all vehicles in the fleet?
I have no idea what they are using they may well be using 0w20 or 0w30 who knows.
IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT GRADE IN THE ARTICLE. PERIOD!
If people cant to read whats in black and white thats their problem.
Ford does NOT spec 0w20 for any Panther so if Mobil is not going by Ford specs anyway then why is it automatically assumed that they would use 0w20?
If Mobil is providing this in bulk is it not possible that Mobil blended something in the middle using these two products to meet a goal that will work with all vehicles in the fleet?
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I have to agree with Trav here. Lots of [censored]UMPTIONS, no facts. The only fact is they are using AFE according to the article, but no grade was stated. Good on Mobil, it should help push the product a bit more. I think hands down they have the best marketing team in the industry, and the most ethical advertising as well. BTW I'm no fan of XOM.
Guys, everyone on this thread has made assumptions or speculations in at least one of their posts. Here is my little leap. Building upon Trav's assumption that no cars are specced for 0w20, I'd be willing to use the corollary and even safer assumption that none are specced for 0w30, either. Can anyone categorically prove that that there isn't a 0w20 spec vehicle anywhere in the fleet? I can't, but we can accept that it isn't as likely as a 5w20 spec. I haven't seen any 0w30 spec cars anywhere. In the great majority of AFE usage, the oil won't be specifically specced for the car. It also doesn't matter as long as the operational viscosity agrees with manufacturer's specs for warranty purposes.
Since we don't have any hard facts, everything becomes a speculation, except what is specifically stated in the article. The whole point of one of these threads is to bat about observations and try to piece together what makes sense to us.
Don't get carried away with calling each other names.
Since we don't have any hard facts, everything becomes a speculation, except what is specifically stated in the article. The whole point of one of these threads is to bat about observations and try to piece together what makes sense to us.
Don't get carried away with calling each other names.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Well then either Caterham is wrong (god forbid) or ford is specing 0w20 for the panther cars. Which is it?
I think some folks are confusing the oem oil recommendation with oil specification. The Ford recommendation is 5w-20, the current "spec" is WSS-M2C945-A. WSS-M2C945-A includes everything an oil has to meet for certification. Any oil meeting this specification meets Ford's warranty requirements for a given oil recommendation.
Well then either Caterham is wrong (god forbid) or ford is specing 0w20 for the panther cars. Which is it?
I think some folks are confusing the oem oil recommendation with oil specification. The Ford recommendation is 5w-20, the current "spec" is WSS-M2C945-A. WSS-M2C945-A includes everything an oil has to meet for certification. Any oil meeting this specification meets Ford's warranty requirements for a given oil recommendation.
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