MMO, the real deal.

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
The results from Dr Shalvoy / Arch Analytical were both scientific and lab quality.

He may well be a qualified biocide biochemist... blah, blah

The attacks never end. You may well be a qualified physicist, but there is no way to know, and the constant attacks and name calling certainly aren't helping your case.

Please suggest any professional or scientific accomplishment to your credit? Dr Shalvoy's record is quite public - readers can judge for themselves whether his credentials are valid and his results are reasonable. A 'former Boeing employee' hardly qualifies you to suggest they 'don't pass muster at the University level'. Are anonymous BITOG articles the pinacle of your professional achievements?

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: dave5358

The attacks never end.


They will when you stop doing it, You're out classed, out educated, out matched in general.

 

[MolaKule]

He sings the praises of one professional whom he idolizes (but doesn't understand), yet attacks other professionals with whom he can't learn from.

He doesn't know the difference between scientific criticism or peer review and his immature blah, blah, blah droning.

When you live in his world it is difficult to delineate between fantasy and reality.

About that Neutron problem? I haven't seen an educated response to it, nor a review of the nomograph with which he is so greatly impressed.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
He sings the praises of one professional whom he idolizes (but doesn't understand), but attacks other professionals with whom he can't learn from. He doesn't know the difference between scientific criticism or peer review.
When you live in his world it is difficult to delineate between fantasy and reality.

The attacks never end. The constant attacks and name calling certainly aren't helping your case.

Please suggest any professional or scientific accomplishment to your credit? Dr Shalvoy's record is quite public - readers can judge for themselves whether his credentials are valid and his results are reasonable. A 'former Boeing employee' and a 'former grad student' who did not complete the program hardly qualifies you to suggest they 'don't pass muster at the University level'.

Are anonymous BITOG articles the pinacle of your professional achievements?

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
He sings the praises of one professional whom he idolizes (but doesn't understand), but attacks other professionals with whom he can't learn from. He doesn't know the difference between scientific criticism or peer review.
When you live in his world it is difficult to delineate between fantasy and reality.

The attacks never end. The constant attacks and name calling certainly aren't helping your case.

Please suggest any professional or scientific accomplishment to your credit? Dr Shalvoy's record is quite public - readers can judge for themselves whether his credentials are valid and his results are reasonable. A 'former Boeing employee' and a 'former grad student' who did not complete the program hardly qualifies you to suggest they 'don't pass muster at the University level'.

Are anonymous BITOG articles the pinacle of your professional achievements?


Really? Not only do you and Dale do not understand what an civil settlement is. What the role of the FTC is. Now you resort to personal attacks. WOW!

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: dave5358
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
He sings the praises of one professional whom he idolizes (but doesn't understand), but attacks other professionals with whom he can't learn from. He doesn't know the difference between scientific criticism or peer review.
When you live in his world it is difficult to delineate between fantasy and reality.

The attacks never end. The constant attacks and name calling certainly aren't helping your case.

Please suggest any professional or scientific accomplishment to your credit? Dr Shalvoy's record is quite public - readers can judge for themselves whether his credentials are valid and his results are reasonable. A 'former Boeing employee' and a 'former grad student' who did not complete the program hardly qualifies you to suggest they 'don't pass muster at the University level'.

Are anonymous BITOG articles the pinacle of your professional achievements?


Really? Not only do you and Dale do not understand what an civil settlement is. What the role of the FTC is. Now you resort to personal attacks. WOW!


Really? MoleKule is on my ignore list for the name calling yet you try to push the blame onto one of us. Also, Trajan tries to claim that I was the one that brought up Zmax when it was HIM that did it. I posted a link to back that up but I can post a screenshot if pictures will help you with that.

There are a couple people here that need to go look into the mirror for the real problems and it isn't me or dave5358. When some people can NOT dispute the facts, they try to divert the topic. When that doesn't work, they resort to name calling and attacks. When that gets called out, people start posting their opinions as fact when the facts say otherwise. You keep going in circles yet not a single one of you has done a single thing that changes what Zmax or MMO or any other company claims. Not a one, not a thing. Yet you claim you can prove it, over and over and over again. Well, PROVE IT already. Go tell the FTC where it is wrong and then the FTC can make Zmax, MMO and anyone else you can prove wrong change their claims. Until you do that, you are doing nothing. Not a single thing. You have proven nothing and you are doing nothing.

That is not a attack on anyone, it is just stating the facts. Also, Dave5358 asking for MoleKule to back up what he claims it not a attack. It is asking him to back up what he claims to know. You know, like I did in the other thread when I posted pics of the court docs. I find it odd that that thread got locked when I did that. Really odd. It seems a couple people found it hard to argue so someone asked a "friend" to lock the thread. Yea, that's another tactic people use when the facts are shown to be just opinions.

Just keep trying to blame everyone else when it is just a couple people here that refuse to accept the fact that Zmax won the right to make those claims. Again, that is fact.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
He sings the praises of one professional whom he idolizes (but doesn't understand), yet attacks other professionals with whom he can't learn from.



He's got this stubborn, pigheaded, conviction that he isn't wrong about something he can't comprehend.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


He doesn't know the difference between scientific criticism or peer review and his immature blah, blah, blah droning.


Blah blah blah is about the limit of his understanding. I guess one of the problems he has with you, besides the obvious, is that this is an internet forum and not "published".
So in his world, you, Shannow, edhackett, JHZR2, etc are not professionals in your fields.

Maybe he can get his hero Shalvoy here and try to equate biocides to tribology?

Originally Posted By: MolaKule

When you live in his world it is difficult to delineate between fantasy and reality.


The fantasy world can be easier to live in. But full time...... no.

Originally Posted By: MolaKule

About that Neutron problem? I haven't seen an educated response to it, nor a review of the nomograph with which he is so greatly impressed.

It would have to come from someone with the background to understand it. The Dynamic Duo don't have it. Neither do I, but I'm not going to argue with someone who *does*.

 

[dave1251]

Fact is you do not understand or do not care to admit a civil case settlement with the FTC is not proof of anything other than the FTC does not want to sue a company out of business. Running a business into the ground is not part of the FTC's responsibilities.

Your head explodes I understand.

 

[stickybuns]

Originally Posted By: dave1251

Really? Not only do you and Dale do not understand what an civil settlement is. What the role of the FTC is. Now you resort to personal attacks. WOW!


You're off topic. And weirdly argumentative. Just don't post. Calm down.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Originally Posted By: dave1251

Really? Not only do you and Dale do not understand what an civil settlement is. What the role of the FTC is. Now you resort to personal attacks. WOW!


You're off topic. And weirdly argumentative. Just don't post. Calm down.


The Dynamic Duo took this off topic long ago. This is the second thread that they spew the same inaccurate claptrap.

They have no understanding of physics, chemistry, tribology, or the law.

 

[dave1251]

Do not worry about farfetched or fetchfar.

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Originally Posted By: dave1251

Really? Not only do you and Dale do not understand what an civil settlement is. What the role of the FTC is. Now you resort to personal attacks. WOW!


You're off topic. And weirdly argumentative. Just don't post. Calm down.


Do you care to explain what are the inherent problems of ecoboost engine or castrol's wear claims?

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Fact is you do not understand or do not care to admit a civil case settlement with the FTC is not proof of anything other than the FTC does not want to sue a company out of business. Running a business into the ground is not part of the FTC's responsibilities.

Your head explodes I understand.


Actually, it is not me that doesn't understand it. What you can not understand is that Zmax is making those claims with the full knowledge of the FTC and the court. You can not change that fact so you and others continue your tactics here without doing a single that that would change it.

Let's see how this works ONE more time. The FTC sues Zmax. When the FTC sees what Zmax can prove, the FTC wants to settle the case, that it started in the first place. In that settlement, Zmax can make the claim "soaks into metal" and the FTC doesn't say a thing about it, even a decade later. What part of that do you not understand? It is a matter of law, in a Federal Court no less, that Zmax can make that claim despite your constant posting of your opinion that says otherwise.

Again, until you can change that fact, you are doing nothing. It doesn't matter what you THINK I understand or don't understand. It is YOU and a couple others that refuse to accept that FACT. Zmax is making that claim and you can not change it no matter what you post here, who you claim is wrong or you think doesn't understand anything. You can try to insult everyones intelligence if you want but it only points back to you not being able to change the facts.

Go ahead tho, keep trying to twist things all you want but it does not change the claims, not one little bit. Does it?

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: Trajan

The Dynamic Duo took this off topic long ago. This is the second thread that they spew the same inaccurate claptrap.

They have no understanding of physics, chemistry, tribology, or the law.



Once again Trajan, it was YOU that started this off topic discussion. It was NOT me or dave5358 that did that. It was YOU. I hope that sets the record straight. If not, I'll post pics next time for the ones that have a issue with reading it.

 

[dave1251]

Actually with you not understanding what the settlement means is your fallacy to your proclamation. If you and the other dave can not understand this which is very simple compaired to understanding chemistry in relation to tribology is a lost cause. Which explains why neither of you can answer the product questions posed to you. Rather than admit this you use testimonials and marketing neither are factual.

Admitting your fallacy does not make you weak rather it is an testimony to your strength. Having too much pride to admit your lack of understanding only weakens your stance. I am sure a wiser person than myself has stated this before. I recommend following this advice once and it will strengthen your experience and actually research each product including MMO which at best provides a small benefit and at worst is detrimental. There are various SAE white papers and laboratory test that conclude that too much detergents such as mineral spirits found in MMO actually removes the lubrication layer from internal combustion engines. Analysis reveals Zmax is nothing but refined oil which by itself is a terrible lubricant for an internal combustion engine. If you really want to find proof of an additive having an small benefit find one that is actually marketed by manufacturers themselves or products that the SAE has studied and have written papers on the support advertised benefit. Using an individual that endorses the product is not an scientist because a scientist will work with his peers to support his findings. This is were the supporters against mola have failed. Mola has actually referred his findings with published papers with other professionals in his field not acted like an lone wolf.

 

[MolaKule]

Quote:
Are anonymous BITOG articles the pinacle of your professional achievements?


Are anonymous insults and scientific cluelessness the pinnacle of your achievements?

And pray tell what are your achievements other than what you have learned from a Childrens Nursery Rhyme, and you even messed that one up, too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baa,_Baa,_Black_Sheep

Yep it's "Bah Bah" not blah blah.

Until you show some logical and/or technological prowness your responses are null, void and hollow.

Now how about an educated response to the Neutron Flux problem and your writeup of that nomograph.

Don't worry, I won't be holding my breath for any erudite, literate, or scholarly response.

 

[rdalek]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Actually with you not understanding what the settlement means is your fallacy to your proclamation. If you and the other dave can not understand this which is very simple compaired to understanding chemistry in relation to tribology is a lost cause. Which explains why neither of you can answer the product questions posed to you. Rather than admit this you use testimonials and marketing neither are factual.

Admitting your fallacy does not make you weak rather it is an testimony to your strength. Having too much pride to admit your lack of understanding only weakens your stance. I am sure a wiser person than myself has stated this before. I recommend following this advice once and it will strengthen your experience and actually research each product including MMO which at best provides a small benefit and at worst is detrimental. There are various SAE white papers and laboratory test that conclude that too much detergents such as mineral spirits found in MMO actually removes the lubrication layer from internal combustion engines. Analysis reveals Zmax is nothing but refined oil which by itself is a terrible lubricant for an internal combustion engine. If you really want to find proof of an additive having an small benefit find one that is actually marketed by manufacturers themselves or products that the SAE has studied and have written papers on the support advertised benefit. Using an individual that endorses the product is not an scientist because a scientist will work with his peers to support his findings. This is were the supporters against mola have failed. Mola has actually referred his findings with published papers with other professionals in his field not acted like an lone wolf.


So, once again, why not provide that info to the FTC? You "claim" to have so much information to back up what you say, go give it to the FTC. That same challenge goes for you, Trajan, MoleKule and anyone else that is willing to step up to the plate. If you are not willing to change the fact that Zmax can make those claims, you are not proving a thing, certainly not where it counts most.

As I said before, the fact that Zmax survived a lawsuit and still makes those claims with the full knowledge of the FTC says a lot. It certainly says a LOT more than some very few people on the internet who are not willing to step up to the plate and change it. So, either change the fact that Zmax is making those claims or you are not proving a thing. As I have said before, I don't think a single person that claims to be able to prove Zmax doesn't do what it claims is ever going to step up and do a single thing. Not one, not a thing.

 

[dave5358]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Are anonymous insults and scientific cluelessness the pinnacle of your achievements? And pray tell what are your achievements other than what you have learned from a Childrens Nursery Rhyme, and you even messed that one up, too: Yep it's Bah Bah" not blah blah.

Until you show some logical and/or technological prowness your responses are null, void and hollow. Now how about an educated response to the Neutron Flux problem and your writeup of that nomograph.

The attacks never end.

Please suggest any professional or scientific accomplishment to your credit? Dr Shalvoy's record is quite public - readers can judge for themselves whether his credentials are valid and his results are reasonable. A 'former Boeing employee' and a 'former grad student' who did not complete the program hardly qualifies you to suggest they 'don't pass muster at the University level'.

Are anonymous BITOG articles the pinacle of your professional achievements?

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: dave5358
The attacks never end.


Again. They will when you stop making them But then again, that's all you can offer, since you don't have the requisite knowledge to contribute anything worth while.

 

[MolaKule]

That's ok, he still doesn't know what he is talking about.

I have yet to see him post anything technical on BITOG, yet observe that he understands anything technical.

He's just a jealous baiter trying to see how far he can go.

He wouldn't know an attack from a bug bite.