Military Draft

[SC Maintenance]

It goes a little deeper than that. And this should be greatly noted for current world situation.

The Greeks did in the German's. Italy failed to crush Greece quickly as expected. Germany then had to send in many troops designated for Russia to get Greece.

The unplanned sending of German military forces to Greece, that were designed to go to Russia, likely was the true reason Germany didn't crush Russia. Had the Greeks succumbed to the Italians, Germany could have had a much more robust main effort fighting in Russia. I am quite sure our adversary in Asia knows this lesson very well.

And as Paul Harvey would say" And now you know the rest of the story".

They couldn't supply the troops they had. Their tank tracks were worn out by the time they got to Russia. They ran out of fuel. They ran out of spare parts. They ran out of food. When it took longer than expected they had no cold weather gear.

Its unlikely more troops would not have helped. It was poorly planned from the start. They expected less resistance. They felt the Russian's couldn't produce modern weapons yet the Russian Tanks were as good as the standard panzer. Strategic failure - overestimate your competence and underestimate your enemy. Sounds familiar.

The fun thing about armchair general is you can make up whatever story you want.

 

[Redhawk454]

Let’s be honest about something.

There isn’t a whole of reasons to go to war to see days.

1. Going on, most are oblivious to it.
2. Two of the 4 major US Enemies have been planning for decades; they are clearly exposing their intentions, most are oblivious to it.
3. They've done a good job of distracting from #2; some don't see that.
4. Not on a radar.

5. "nobody" is Russia and China, mainly China. China will use Russia like the pawn they are. Most in power in the US want the country to believe that China doesn't have the military infrastructure to do much outside the South China Sea. China won't be fighting the war with their ships, tanks and planes. They will be using computer chips that control reclosers, switches and other computer-controlled devices that keep the power going from the plant to your home/business/hospital/water treatment facility/sewage treatment facility/grocery store distribution center and local/state/federal government offices, they will be using computer chips that control pump houses in finished water systems that deliver water to your home/buisness/hospital/etc, they will be using computers that control natural gas pumps, valves, etc., they will be using computer chips that control cellular, microwave and other radio frequencies, they will be using computer chips that control the operation of generators at rail facilities, airports, 911 call centers, hospitals, water tanks/pump stations, cell phone towers, distribution centers and more.

China doesn't give two squirts about what was talked about on 60 minutes about their Navy.... Or nuclear weapons. They don't need that stuff. I promise.

yeah, they don't have a 1-dimensional view of war like most do. Although i'm pretty the US has similar plans for them.

 

[zzyzzx]

The Greeks did in the German's. Italy failed to crush Greece quickly as expected. Germany then had to send in many troops designated for Russia to get Greece.

The unplanned sending of German military forces to Greece, that were designed to go to Russia, likely was the true reason Germany didn't crush Russia. Had the Greeks succumbed to the Italians, Germany could have had a much more robust main effort fighting in Russia.

 

[PimTac]

And untold millions lost their lives in that operation. The numbers are staggering.

 

[Al]

They couldn't supply the troops they had. Their tank tracks were worn out by the time they got to Russia. They ran out of fuel. They ran out of spare parts. They ran out of food. When it took longer than expected they had no cold weather gear.

Its unlikely more troops would not have helped. It was poorly planned from the start. They expected less resistance. They felt the Russian's couldn't produce modern weapons yet the Russian Tanks were as good as the standard panzer. Strategic failure - overestimate your competence and underestimate your enemy. Sounds familiar.

This
Invading Russia was the biggest present Hitler gave us. Kinda like Pickets charge.

 

[97K15004WD]

In regard to the OP's original question, here's what we really know:

1. Recruiting is down.
2. We have no draft
3. Selective Service registrations are compulsory
Other than that, everything is all speculation and generalizations UNLESS there is actual data to prove what is said.

For instance:

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/ground-forces.html


If we are going to speculate, how about we look at other options?

1. Bring in contractors for non-mission critical roles (equipment repair, meals, etc).

2. Bring in automation to free up administrative roles and lower the headcount.

3. Change the headcount numbers needed and look at only combat, combat support roles as necessary. Combat Service Support can be "farmed out".

4. Speed up automation acceptance for transportation assets so trucks can be self driving. This testing has been going on in SC for many years at SRS.
https://newatlas.com/us-army-autonomous-vehicles/32796/

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...h-to-enable-self-driving-convoys-this-summer/

When the Army went fully integrated, When the Army went all volunteer, When the Army brought in women, When the Army opened up Combat roles to women, ETC, the naysayers came out in droves. They still do.

 

[Pew]

In regard to the OP's original question, here's what we really know:

1. Recruiting is down.
2. We have no draft
3. Selective Service registrations are compulsory
Other than that, everything is all speculation and generalizations UNLESS there is actual data to prove what is said.

For instance:

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/ground-forces.html


If we are going to speculate, how about we look at other options?

1. Bring in contractors for non-mission critical roles (equipment repair, meals, etc).

2. Bring in automation to free up administrative roles and lower the headcount.

3. Change the headcount numbers needed and look at only combat, combat support roles as necessary. Combat Service Support can be "farmed out".

4. Speed up automation acceptance for transportation assets so trucks can be self driving. This testing has been going on in SC for many years at SRS.
https://newatlas.com/us-army-autonomous-vehicles/32796/

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...h-to-enable-self-driving-convoys-this-summer/

When the Army went fully integrated, When the Army went all volunteer, When the Army brought in women, When the Army opened up Combat roles to women, ETC, the naysayers came out in droves. They still do.

They already do this with contracting firms but they've all been in a scandal like Halliburton/Blackwater/triple canopy or extremely poor service like Sodexo.

 

[bbhero]

This country is heading towards total implosion at some point… 20 year plus long wars… Trillions wasted and the American people do not want more of that.. Inflation that has been and will continue to get worse as the Federal Reserve has no “bullets” left but to further weaken the dollar by digitizing trillions more dollars and reducing interest rates lower or do the opposite and implement crippling interest rate hikes that will destroy our economy too…

We keep pushing the Russian bear into a corner…. We will get WW III… NATO which has continually pushed eastward was not a great outcome. Imagine if Mexico or Canada was going to be possibly apart of the Warsaw Pact ?? The US would not sit by totally idle if that would have happened. And Cuba did almost bring the world to WW III with intermediate nuclear weapons being put there…

And we think that Russia should be good with a neighboring country possibly joining NATO ?

I remember well the actions taken by the US and NATO in the early 1980s… That was actually the right course of actions to take during that time. Because those actions led to the collapse of the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall and the USSR.

NATO should have been dismantled after the early to mid 1990s after what happened then. Just like the Warsaw Pact had been dismantled. What magical need was there for it after that time ? ?

There was no need anymore because there was no Warsaw Pact and the USSR was clearly withdrawing itself and had clearly lost.

It may be high time for us to start thinking about the world not just from our own view point.

The wasted wars from the early 2000s should have taught us that…. Attempting to force a Jeffersonian Republic on two other very different nations with very people perspectives FAILED miserably. Wasted trillions of dollars… thousands killed… and tens of thousands wounded and broken physically, mentally and emotionally.

Now we pompously, arrogantly and openly flaunt our support and weapons to a bordering nation with Russia and actually THINK it will lot matter… That there is no negative downside to this….

I have read where the Russians feel that IF there is no room for Russia in this world… Than this world doesn’t need to exist.

They see NATO eastward push as a EXISTENTIAL threat to them… Whether we like it or not… They see it that way. You want to play Texas Hold ‘Em and push all of your chips into the table ?

If they get aggregated enough… lots of buttons are going to be getting pushed. They feel they are severely threatened by what has transpired for the past 28 years plus.

Agsin… It is about time to start thinking from a different perspective than OUR OWN.

 

[SC Maintenance]

hg

This country is heading towards total implosion at some point… 20 year plus long wars… Trillions wasted and the American people do not want more of that.. Inflation that has been and will continue to get worse as the Federal Reserve has no “bullets” left but to further weaken the dollar by digitizing trillions more dollars and reducing interest rates lower or do the opposite and implement crippling interest rate hikes that will destroy our economy too…

We keep pushing the Russian bear into a corner…. We will get WW III… NATO which has continually pushed eastward was not a great outcome. Imagine if Mexico or Canada was going to be possibly apart of the Warsaw Pact ?? The US would not sit by totally idle if that would have happened. And Cuba did almost bring the world to WW III with intermediate nuclear weapons being put there…

And we think that Russia should be good with a neighboring country possibly joining NATO ?

I remember well the actions taken by the US and NATO in the early 1980s… That was actually the right course of actions to take during that time. Because those actions led to the collapse of the Iron Curtain and Berlin Wall and the USSR.

NATO should have been dismantled after the early to mid 1990s after what happened then. Just like the Warsaw Pact had been dismantled. What magical need was there for it after that time ? ?

There was no need anymore because there was no Warsaw Pact and the USSR was clearly withdrawing itself and had clearly lost.

It may be high time for us to start thinking about the world not just from our own view point.

The wasted wars from the early 2000s should have taught us that…. Attempting to force a Jeffersonian Republic on two other very different nations with very people perspectives FAILED miserably. Wasted trillions of dollars… thousands killed… and tens of thousands wounded and broken physically, mentally and emotionally.

Now we pompously, arrogantly and openly flaunt our support and weapons to a bordering nation with Russia and actually THINK it will lot matter… That there is no negative downside to this….

I have read where the Russians feel that IF there is no room for Russia in this world… Than this world doesn’t need to exist.

They see NATO eastward push as a EXISTENTIAL threat to them… Whether we like it or not… They see it that way. You want to play Texas Hold ‘Em and push all of your chips into the table ?

If they get aggregated enough… lots of buttons are going to be getting pushed. They feel they are severely threatened by what has transpired for the past 28 years plus.

Agsin… It is about time to start thinking from a different perspective than OUR OWN.

One quibble. Ukraine had nukes. They were talked out of them by Russia promising to not invade and Europe and US promising defense if they did.

 

[thastinger]

I did 30 years, first 14 enlisted and last 16 commissioned, retired in 2017. The Wife went to PSU on a ROTC scholarship ang got a Civil Engineering Degree out of it, she got out at 10 years...problem with both is that you've gotta be willing to die to get them.
I don't have any regrets, freedom isn't free.
Am I steering my 2 kids toward the service Academies? No.

 

[bbhero]

hg

One quibble. Ukraine had nukes. They were talked out of them by Russia promising to not invade and Europe and US promising defense if they did.

I know that…. Very well in fact…

In 2014 I knew what I thought was that agreement you mention… I was quite concerned rhen…

Here’s the inside info I learned later after 2014..

We aka US and the Brits ONLY would defend the Ukraine If nuclear weapons were used against them.

Non nuclear… they were on their own…

Well… Until … well let’s leave out the sordid details that have happened there… To be polite .. Aka that history for the past 12 years.

Our own foolish leadership staff is on camera and record saying that use of those bombs was equivalent to “ war crimes”….

Then a year plus later our mentally challenged officials gleefully announce us giving cluster bombs to the Ukrainians…


These people are so CLUELESS, pompous and arrogant and hypocritical… This group of fools are not too far from walking us into WW III…

 

[97prizm]

We (well I do) like to watch these cop shows and youtube videos of idiots being stopped and arrested.... like the re-vamp of "Live PD" (OP Live). My wife and I were watching this last weekends' episodes yesterday. Most of the people cops interact with have an IQ of less than 40, I suspect. Most of these people cannot carry on a comprehensible conversation with anything near correct English. It's all "bruh, you be dissin' me, bruh, I ain't didt nothin', bruh, bruh git yo hands offa me bruh", on and on and on."

All races, all genders, all income brackets.

There's no possible way these people could compose three sentences to explain their situation in a manner that would make any human with half a brain stop and listen to their story and say "hmmm, they might have something worth listening to say"....

I told my wife if the Chinese, Russian and Iranians watched this and had half a clue about modern US culture and knew that these people we watch on these shows make up north of 40% of the US population today, they couldn't stop laughing long enough to invade us. They would realize that the time is NOW. No further plans need to be made, in fact, they would probably alter their plans greatly to reflect on the disturbing findings of this segment of the population.

Mind you, most of these people are under 40. Fighting age. They have no ambition, no education, no skills, no brain and no self-worth. Why in the world would any country's military want these imbeciles is beyond me.


Most of you want to run your pie hole about overweight people. Those folks might be your only option to living in a half-way free country very soon. I'd choose your words and friends wisely....

They pick and choose who the show interacts with. There are thousands of stops made per day the show weeds through what it thinks are the scummiest to show.

 

[Al]

a in this world… Than this world doesn’t need to exist.

They see NATO eastward push as a EXISTENTIAL threat to them… Whether we like it or not… They see it that way. You want to play Texas Hold ‘Em and push all of your chips into the table ?

Agsin… It is about time to start thinking from a different perspective than OUR OWN.

You seem to think that Russia will just sit by and not cause problems in this world like china?
An ostrich and comes to mind here

 

[mk378]

We aka US and the Brits ONLY would defend the Ukraine If nuclear weapons were used against them.

Russia's position on the Budapest Memorandum is that it prohibits only the use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine. No one else interprets it that way.

The actual language is that the signatories are not allowed to attack Ukraine in any form, ranging from economic pressure, "threat of nuclear weapons" or a conventional invasion which Russia committed in 2014 and extended in 2022.

Though it does not impose a formal requirement on anyone to send troops to defend Ukraine.

 

[mk378]

They pick and choose who the show interacts with. There are thousands of stops made per day the show weeds through what it thinks are the scummiest to show.

Exactly. The people who are smart enough to keep their mouth shut don't make for good TV, and those land on the cutting room floor.

 

[hrv]

One party would never vote for a military draft...and I think that most know who that is....

 

[RooflessVW]

Ons party would never vote for a military draft...and I think that most know who that is....

Which party?

The part of "small government," or...?

 

[buster]

While I remain eternally cautious, taking a snapshot of the economy today, the U.S. is doing comparatively very well. Polls showing American dissatisfaction with the economy probably reflect the relentless negative propaganda coming from the media.

 

[buster]

If you watch the news, you'd likely think the economy was never good. It's always sucked. Everything is terrible. Federal Reserve Act of 1914 was a mistake, Japan fears in the 80's, Russia, now China, AI, Taliban, never ending boom/bust cycles,.....you name it. And yet here we are still with the highest standard of living in the world.

China is lowering their tone a bit. They're not in the greatest position either have a ton of their own issues. I think a war with Taiwan is possible, but still more unlikely.

 

[hrv]

Which party?

The part of "small government," or...?

you know which....just look at the past..